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Supercapacitor Charging Circuit

aidamahn
aidamahn over 7 years ago

Greetings!

 

I have questions about a supercapacitor charging circuit that I hope the community can help answer.  I've included two of my schematics below. This circuit is to keep a Raspberry Pi 3 Model B running long enough to safely shutdown when power is cut.  I have an Arduino watching the input voltage presence and the voltage level coming from the supercaps. (Sorry for not including the voltage divider to the Arduino analog pin on the superconductor side, the resistors are 100K and 1M)

 

Essentially the Arduino waits for the the supercaps to charge up to 5 volts then toggles a solid state relay to turn on the RPi.  When the voltage is cut or it detects a bad voltage drop from the supercaps it tells the RPI to shutdown via a GPIO.  There is another GPIO line coming from the RPi that tells the Aruidno when the RPi is off so it can turn off the relay.

 

I have two 22F 2.7V superconductors in series to create 5.4V.  I have a 6V 2.5A DC power supply dialed down to 5.4V via 3A capable buck converter.

 

Here is the math I did to come up with the resistance needed in front of the supercaps to not nuke my power supply.  I also have two schottky diodes in series with the resistors.

 

5.4V / 2.5A = 2.16 Ohms

5.4V x 2.5A = 13.5W

 

Right now I have this charging up nicely and running the Arduino Uno for an impressive amount of time.

 

Questions:

 

  1. Currently I am using resistors in parallel, is that over kill?  It just felt good to me.
  2. What schottky diode would you recommend?  I am only using a 40V 5A diodes because that is what I have on hand.
  3. If I do need to use parallel resistors, do I need two schottkys or would one be enough?
  4. Do you think my supercaps will be enough?  I also have two 50F 2.7V in my parts bin.
  5. Anything else I am missing with this circuit?

 

Single resistor:

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Parallel Resistors:

image

 

Message was edited by: Jeremy Morgan (added Raspberry Pi version)

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 7 years ago +8 suggested
    Hi Jeremy, I agree with what both John and Doug mention. The supercaps will store a lot of energy and the majority of that will be unused, because the voltage will drop to the point that the Pi won't operate…
  • dougw
    dougw over 7 years ago +6 suggested
    I don't have experience with these caps, but I might be tempted to use 2.7V zeners instead of those 100 ohm resistors.
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago +5 suggested
    Hi Jeremy, The series parallel resistors look like a bit of overkill. Your single 15 Watt resistor should handle any eventuality including a dead short across the capacitor. You may want to incorporate…
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    0 jw0752 over 7 years ago

    Hi Jeremy,

    The series parallel resistors look like a bit of overkill. Your single 15 Watt resistor should handle any eventuality including a dead short across the capacitor. You may want to incorporate a buck DC to DC converter so that the output of the power supply for the Pi can be maintained at full voltage longer. If my calculations are correct for the 11 F capacitor that you are proposing to power the PI (assuming 500 mA draw) your voltage will drop below a critical level in less than 30 seconds. By just short of 2 minutes you are down to 1.75 V. Most recharger batteries for cell phones use a small buck DC to DC converter to keep the output voltage at USB levels while the voltage of the Lithium battery drops towards its shut down level. You would have a similar situation with the super caps only the voltage drop would be more rapid. I hope some of the other guys add their input as I am not an expert and I would love to learn more about your project.

    John

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    0 dougw over 7 years ago

    I don't have experience with these caps, but I might be tempted to use 2.7V zeners instead of those 100 ohm resistors.

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    0 shabaz over 7 years ago

    Hi Jeremy,

     

    I agree with what both John and Doug mention. The supercaps will store a lot of energy and the majority of that will be unused, because the voltage will drop to the point that the Pi won't operate, so a DC-DC converter would be needed to make more use of the supercaps.

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    0 aidamahn over 7 years ago in reply to jw0752

    Thanks for the feedback.  I'll go back to the single resistor and I also ordered a buck up/down converter that should easily handle the RPi and Arduino.

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    0 aidamahn over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Thanks.  I just watched a EEVBlog video on zeners and understand why.

     

    Would these zeners work?

    http://www.newark.com/vishay/1n5223b-tr/zener-diode-500mw-2-7v-do-35/dp/18M3523

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    0 aidamahn over 7 years ago

    Thanks everyone for your feedback.

     

    Here is my current schematics based on the feedback I received so far:

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    0 aidamahn over 7 years ago

    I forgot to mention that because I only need 5 GPIO I am going to try using an ATTINY85V over the Uno/Nano.

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    0 dougw over 7 years ago in reply to aidamahn

    Maybe not, the peak power is over 6 watts in the top zener.

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    0 aidamahn over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    I think I might have found a better solution for the over voltage protection, the TL431.  It can be dialed to any voltage from 2.5V to 36V.  They appear to be used in the commercial supercapacitor protection boards.

     

    http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/tl431a.pdf

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    0 dougw over 7 years ago in reply to aidamahn

    Nice devices, but it looks like they can only handle 100 mA.

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