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Supercapacitor charging and discharging

oseania
oseania over 6 years ago

Hi,

 

Due to space constraints we have a very small battery (capacity around 20 mAh) which can provide max currents around 10 mA. However we would need short pulses (1 ms) of peak current (about 300mA) for about 1s. The only option that came to mind is to use supercapacitor as a secondary storage and drive the peak pulsed current from there. Would it be practical to use supercap for this kind of peaked discharging? Are there any dangers that we should consider?

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to oseania +4 suggested
    That's an average of 150mA for 1s. A 1F cap will drop 150mV, you need to decide how much drop you can stand and that will set the size of cap you need. Suppose you go for 0.5F and accept a 300mV drop in…
  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 6 years ago +3
    we would need short pulses (1 ms) of peak current (about 300mA) for about 1s Do you need a 1ms pulse every 1s? Or you want to sustain 300mA for 1s? Or you want multiple of 1ms pulses for a 1s duration…
  • oseania
    oseania over 6 years ago in reply to michaelkellett +2
    Hi, The battery is a custom Li-Ion cell with 0.5C max discharge. It is very tiny, around 10x20mm. We use the battery to heat a resistive wire, so in that sense only the current counts, not the voltage…
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  • oseania
    0 oseania over 6 years ago

    For clarificiation, we would need 1ms pulses for a 1s duration. Essentially a square wave with 1kHz frequency. The 1s pulses occur only every few hours.

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    0 michaelkellett over 6 years ago in reply to oseania

    That's an average of 150mA for 1s. A 1F cap will drop 150mV, you need to decide how much drop you can stand and that will set the size of cap you need.

    Suppose you go for 0.5F and accept a 300mV drop in voltage, If the effective ESR of the cap is 0.3R you lose 0.75V at the end of the one second.

    AN AVX SCMR14C474PRBA0, Farnell 2696625 will do this.

    Watch out for short life, huge size, large leakage current and other factors (like efficiency of cap charging circuit, need to charge to above battery voltage to allow for drop during 1s interval etc)

    You don't say how big your battery is or what type.

     

    You'll get better answers if you explain what you are doing in more detail

     

    Like, why can't you have a shorter pulse burst more often ?

     

    MK

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  • oseania
    0 oseania over 6 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    Hi,

     

    The battery is a custom Li-Ion cell with 0.5C max discharge. It is very tiny, around 10x20mm. We use the battery to heat a resistive wire, so in that sense only the current counts, not the voltage drop. We could do shorter pulses more often, if it provides us some help. All in all, we tend to use pulses because they provide us a better control on the wire temperature. If the wire heats too fast we can keep the frequency fixed but change the duty cycle. We were considering following supercap due to its small size: https://www.mouser.fi/datasheet/2/129/dsk_e-461388.pdf

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  • jc2048
    0 jc2048 over 6 years ago in reply to oseania

    Internal resistance.

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    0 oseania over 6 years ago in reply to jc2048

    For the battery according to spec:


    ≤1000mΩ(SOC 40-50%) (ref.)
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    0 jc2048 over 6 years ago in reply to oseania

    And for the supercap you've chosen?

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    0 oseania over 6 years ago in reply to jc2048

    200 ohms max.

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    0 jc2048 over 6 years ago in reply to oseania

    I'd guess that the supercap you've found is intended to replace a back-up battery (for keeping a RTC or memory alive in the absence of power). It doesn't seem very suitable for what you want to do here.

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    0 jc2048 over 6 years ago in reply to oseania

    I'd guess that the supercap you've found is intended to replace a back-up battery (for keeping a RTC or memory alive in the absence of power). It doesn't seem very suitable for what you want to do here.

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