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Bridge rectifier magic?

johnnybraveau
johnnybraveau over 5 years ago

Good morning. First-time newbie here. 2 years ago I yanked all the fluorescent fixtures from my shop and replaced them with LED strips, powered by cheap Chinese power supplies, see below (120VAC>12VDC, 30A).

Some have begun to fail, and so I bought some new  ones - exact replacements - and am using one as a standard against which to compare values, and help deduce faulty components. (not that I don’t have some clear “winners” already, i. e. swollen caps, blown thermistors).

But here’s where it gets goofy: in the process of sampling voltages on the “good” unit, I discovered that DC voltages aft of the bridge rectifier (GBU6J, GBU808, GBU810GBU810, or GBU406GBU406, depending on which board) are 2.75 times that of the AC input. Specifically, I’m getting 330VDC on the back side, with 120VAC going in. I’m including a picture of a “deduced” schematic - up to a point - along with the board itself. Power flows - on the board - from bottom left, anticlockwise around to top left. On the hand-written schematic, C1 and C6 are too small to read, so they got the “teeninie” designation, and probably don’t figure into the puzzle anyway. The pin-out of the semiconductors (2SC2625) after the 680uF electrolytic caps I am not certain of, and so I did not assign a collector/emitter, but based on their description on the spec sheet (“high power, high speed”) I am assuming this is where the 330VDC is chopped up (or modulated) and processed back into AC. The transformer represented by the “?” is the one all the way to the right on the board, nestled behind the big 680uF caps. I can’t begin to guess at the pinouts on that, but there are 3 terminals on one side, and 5 on the other.

 

so, to reiterate: 120VAC to 330VDC...?

 

As Professor Quirrell once said “What magic is this?”image

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  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago +2 verified
    For a sine wave 120 Vac RMS = 339.4 V peak-to-peak It sounds like you are measuring the peak-to-peak voltage.
  • johnnybraveau
    johnnybraveau over 5 years ago in reply to dougw +2
    I would hope the answer to be as simple (as my ignorance). I was raised to believe that what was coming out of the outlet (here in the US Colonies) is 60hz, 120VAC, peak to peak. So you’re telling me that…
  • colporteur
    colporteur over 5 years ago +1
    G'Day, I am going to speculate from the picture the unit is a switching power supply. The Difference Between a Linear Supply and a Switched Mode Power Supply Switching mode P.S. operate differently than…
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    0 dougw over 5 years ago

    For a sine wave

    120 Vac RMS = 339.4 V peak-to-peak

    It sounds like you are measuring the peak-to-peak voltage.

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  • colporteur
    0 colporteur over 5 years ago in reply to dougw

    Wasn't the high voltage approx 300 DC and not AC?

     

    Sean

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    0 dougw over 5 years ago in reply to colporteur

    Yes, it would seam the measurement was DC.

    The peak-to-peak voltage may be 330 V but it is never present between the AC wires.

    To recover the peak-to-peak voltage as a DC measurement, I think you would need something resembling the circuit below:

    The circuit above has these components, but not shown as connected like this.

    image

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    0 johnnybraveau over 5 years ago in reply to dougw

    image

    Douglas,

    I appreciate your answer(s). This has been quite a larnin’ experience.
    Sean, I’m sorry for being less than clear on my notation of voltage sampling. I’ve included an updated sketch, which shows the points at which the probes made contact. I’m sure there is some industry-wide standard for this type of notation, but this dog grew up in the 70’s, and took only one high school class in electronics, so I apologize to all for my backwoods skills. I promise to do better!

     

    and last... you may notice in this newer

    sketch that what I thought was an isolating transformer was actually a choke (or chock, as Dear Leader might say). I simply assumed its function, instead of yanking the thing and putting a meter to it. Again, take me to the flogging post image

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    0 johnnybraveau over 5 years ago in reply to dougw

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    Douglas,

    I appreciate your answer(s). This has been quite a larnin’ experience.
    Sean, I’m sorry for being less than clear on my notation of voltage sampling. I’ve included an updated sketch, which shows the points at which the probes made contact. I’m sure there is some industry-wide standard for this type of notation, but this dog grew up in the 70’s, and took only one high school class in electronics, so I apologize to all for my backwoods skills. I promise to do better!

     

    and last... you may notice in this newer

    sketch that what I thought was an isolating transformer was actually a choke (or chock, as Dear Leader might say). I simply assumed its function, instead of yanking the thing and putting a meter to it. Again, take me to the flogging post image

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