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Piezo film sensor for footstep detection

will_hs
will_hs over 5 years ago

I’m currently looking into detecting footsteps on a wooden floor using piezoelectric sensors and recording the output as audio.

 

After some research it seemed like a cantilever piezo film sensor might be suitable. I have ordered a few of these (MiniSense 100, LDTM-028K).

I’m wondering if there is a optimal way to mount these sensors to maximise vibrational transfer. At the moment I have soldered the sensor to a small PCB and have the PCB attached to the floor with adhesive tape. I’m amplifying the signal with a jfet preamp. I’m finding that footsteps around 6” from the sensor are barely registering above the noise floor.

 

Any advice on mounting these sensors, or even suggestions for other sensors that might be more suitable, would be much appreciated!

Thanks

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  • dougw
    dougw over 5 years ago +4
    Piezo sensors generate signals by bending. The larger and faster the bend, the larger the signal. If you can set it up so the sensor is a cantilever that gets slightly bent when a footstep occurs, you…
  • BigG
    BigG over 5 years ago +3
    Does the solution have to incorporate a piezoelectric sensor? What made you choose this? The key, in my opinion, is to consider wave propagation and what could cause this wave to distort or dampen to the…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 5 years ago +3
    Hi Will, There's a photo here: Impact, Vibration and Ultrasound Sensing with PVDF Piezo Sensors where the sensor (similar to the one you've ordered I think) is slightly bent, and at a shallow angle, i…
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    BigG over 5 years ago

    Does the solution have to incorporate a piezoelectric sensor? What made you choose this?

     

    The key, in my opinion, is to consider wave propagation and what could cause this wave to distort or dampen to the point that it becomes unrecognisable (as per your example). This should then help you choose a sensor and a location.

     

    I would have thought a sensor, like a tiny Electret microphone, mounted on a wall above the wooden floor might be better for this application as this would be able to detect the wave propagating from floor boards when there are footsteps and it's unlikely to become distorted (maybe lots of echo could cause problems but this would need testing). A piezo attached to a floor board might not always work as a wave travelling through a long floor wood, could dampen or distort quite quickly due to it's organic properties especially if that footstep sound has to also "hop" across to the next floor board etc.

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    BigG over 5 years ago

    Does the solution have to incorporate a piezoelectric sensor? What made you choose this?

     

    The key, in my opinion, is to consider wave propagation and what could cause this wave to distort or dampen to the point that it becomes unrecognisable (as per your example). This should then help you choose a sensor and a location.

     

    I would have thought a sensor, like a tiny Electret microphone, mounted on a wall above the wooden floor might be better for this application as this would be able to detect the wave propagating from floor boards when there are footsteps and it's unlikely to become distorted (maybe lots of echo could cause problems but this would need testing). A piezo attached to a floor board might not always work as a wave travelling through a long floor wood, could dampen or distort quite quickly due to it's organic properties especially if that footstep sound has to also "hop" across to the next floor board etc.

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