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CO2 sensor for low volumes

Runzolf
Runzolf over 3 years ago

Hi,

I'm a student in medical engineering, looking for a new CO2 sensor for my veterinary support setup. What I'm looking for is to monitor the CO2 level in mice and rats exhalation. We are talking about ~4ml of tidal volume (volume per breath), which is a crucial factor. The update rate should be at least 4sec / 0.25Hz, while the range I'm looking for is max 100'000ppm / 10%. Even 5% could actually be fine.
Right now I have two K33 30% CO2 sensors, which seems perfect, but unluckily they stopped working so I'm looking for an alternative.
Also, the sensor must offer I2C / UART connection, in order to interface it with a microcontroller.

Any advice is really appreciated!
Rodolfo

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  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 3 years ago in reply to fmilburn +3
    That's an interesting part. Quite slow, (66ms) and poor accuracy at low CO2 levels. It works by measuring thermal conduction (of the gas I think) and is sensitive to thermal gradients but the data sheet…
  • Runzolf
    Runzolf over 3 years ago in reply to Runzolf +2
    I found it from another manufacturer's site: "The Active detector is sensitive in the range of absorption of the target gas, while the Reference detector wavelength bands are chosen in a region of the…
  • michaelkellett
    michaelkellett over 3 years ago in reply to Runzolf +2
    On page 11 of the data sheet you can see that the different devices offered use channel 1 as a non target gas responsive reference channel. This is because the IR source will not give the same output over…
  • BigG
    BigG over 3 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    I see there is an evaluation kit available:

    https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3190557.pdf

    https://www.farnell.com/datasheets/3190558.pdf

    For this interface board:

    media.digikey.com/.../QGS_Series_DS.pdf

    www.mouser.com/.../KEM_SE0220_QGSM-2529518.pdf

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  • Runzolf
    Runzolf over 3 years ago in reply to michaelkellett

    The undetailed datasheet is quite annoying, or maybe it just states that the sensor is just a "ON / OFF" type, so the datasheet just describes in which LED working frequency range is more effective.

    Couldn't find it at higher-res: 

    image

    There is also an evaluating kit sold, which is basically the LED and the tube already built, which could save me a lot of hassle. It doesn't specify how powerfull should the LED be, it should depend on the NEP right? It states 2.7*10e-10 on the cheaper one, and "mean 70" on the dual sensor one. What ranges should I look for, in case I really wanted to go down that road?

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  • fmilburn
    fmilburn over 3 years ago in reply to Runzolf

    I would get in touch with Sensiron

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  • Runzolf
    Runzolf over 3 years ago in reply to fmilburn

    Oh, I think I replied to the wrong parent comment, I was talking about the KEMET. But for sure, I will get in contact with them.

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  • Runzolf
    Runzolf over 3 years ago

    Last thing I'm asking, what kind of LED should I couple with the KEMET?
    https://www.mouser.it/ProductDetail/KEMET/USEQGSM1C82100?qs=xZ%2FP%252Ba9zWqYuG7UZtSVO%2FQ%3D%3D
    I've roamed around Mouser for the last couple days, and I'm just getting more confused.
    The NEP is 2.7*10e-10 while the D* is 2.5*10e8.
    www.mouser.it/.../KEM_SE0220_QGSM-2529518.pdf

    The only graphs I see doesn't clear up things for me

    image

    Thanks a lot for any hint!

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  • BigG
    BigG over 3 years ago in reply to Runzolf

    I would use the info on page 3 of 2nd pdf... states:

    KEMET Infrared Sensors work in the MID Infrared Spectrum.

    Then transmit strength is also relevant as depends on distance between led and sensor within enclosure.
    Understanding how much IR is being optically transmitted versus how much is received can
    indicate gas concentration levels.

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  • Runzolf
    Runzolf over 3 years ago in reply to BigG

    Hey! Thanks for your answer.
    I was already looking into mid IR spectrum emitters, the strenght itself is my concern, that's why I was looking on how to interpret the NEP or the Detectivity. I can't really land on a definitive conclusion. Maybe I shall just buy emitters in a broad range and try which fits better.

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  • BigG
    BigG over 3 years ago in reply to Runzolf

    Personally, I would use the evaluation kit, which according to page 9 of that 2nd PDF uses a TO39 (pulsable?) type IR emitter... not that that gives any clues on transmit strength but at least if you had similar it should work.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 3 years ago in reply to BigG

    Mid wavelength IR is thermal. It may be too expensive to buy a range of emitters. Any emitter in that range should work. The sensor also seems to specify the IR be collimated. If collimation requires a lens, it could get expensive, since lenses for these wavelengths are not made of glass or plastic. Hopefully the emitter will have a collimating lens built-in.

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  • BigG
    BigG over 3 years ago in reply to dougw

    Wow, yes having searched online I see these IR emitters are highly specialised (i.e. pricey). I see these ones I found use reflectors
    www.micro-hybrid.de/.../

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