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Soldering Stations & The Right Accessories - Where to start?

tbartonnewark
tbartonnewark over 7 years ago

Hi I work at Newark and I'm researching kitting soldering stations and replacement soldering tips together Assuming I start with a Basic Weller 120V 50W Station(WES51 or  WESD51WESD51 What tips sizes or shapes would you recommend for an entry level kit Any thoughts on tinners and sponges to extend tip life What would be the dream starter pack

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  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago in reply to mcb1 +11 suggested
    Hi Mark, I actually cheated too and I also found this small ceramic thingy at the $ store. It is supposed to be used to heat aromatic oil like a scented candle but I retasked it. I have glued it to a hockey…
  • jw0752
    jw0752 over 7 years ago +10 suggested
    Hi Tom, The recommendations that have been tendered so far are all great. I have always bought a variety of tips when I bought a system but as dougw points out they almost never get used and the tip he…
  • dougw
    dougw over 7 years ago +7 suggested
    I do all my soldering with the same size tip - it is not practical to swap hot tips all the time. But extra tips of the same type are always useful. The tip should be fairly short and fairly fine to get…
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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 7 years ago

    I do all my soldering with the same size tip - it is not practical to swap hot tips all the time. But extra tips of the same type are always useful. The tip should be fairly short and fairly fine to get the maximum heat to the smallest area.

    I use a wet sponge for tip cleaning - I don't know if it extends life better, but it cleans better, providing better performance. So a tip cleaner tray for the sponge is essential. A couple of extra sponges would be useful. I also keep a bottle of (preferably DI) water nearby to keep the sponge wet. Like a sports water bottle - so the water can't evaporate between sessions.

    Other useful accessories are:

    • a solder dispenser (stand with an axle for the solder reel)
    • a magnifier (ideally a stereo microscope) (even jewelers glasses can work)
    • some lights
    • a PCB holder
    • tweezers
    • solder wick
    • solder sucker
    • flux syringe
    • small nozzle hot air gun
    • a fume extractor/filter
    • a third hand
    • extra solder (two different diameters are useful)

    You can find low-cost starter versions of all of these except maybe the fume extractor.

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  • rachaelp
    0 rachaelp over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hi Doug,

     

    These are all great tips/ideas!

     

    I'd add that I would have a couple of sizes of solder wick if you work on a mix of boards with very fine vs "regular" size SMD's otherwise you can accidentally remove the really small pads or end up with your solder wick stuck fast to your board! I'd also say that a some decent cutters and small pliers are also fairly essential. I'd also add, if you want as step up from the mechanical pump desoldering sucker then a proper heated vacuum one can be a huge productivity boost if you need to do a lot of desoldering.

     

    I do have a couple of things I think I may disagree on slightly but the second is dependant on usage.

     

    1. Wet sponge. As John says below, this can have its own issues. I find that tips actually don't last as long using a wet sponge for cleaning, even if you remember to re-tin them with fresh solder after cleaning every time. I believe (but am not 100% sure) it's to do with the thermal shock from repetitive cleaning on a cold/damp sponge causes tiny cracks to appear in the surface which over time cause the tip to degrade. I've seen tips where the surface layer eventually comes off completely and then there is no amount of tinning that will make it work again. I use the dry tip cleaners that look a bit like a gold version of a steel scouring pad you'd find in the kitchen for using on your dishes. The only time I would use a wet sponge is if somebody had done something really horrible with my iron and got melted gunk all over it. Then, after telling them off and banning them from using my solder station ever again, I would use the wet sponge and then re-tin the tip afterwards.

    2. Tip sizes. This really does depend on your usage and the difficulty of changing tips really does depend on your solder station. Both my Metcal setup and the Pace setup I had in my office at work have tips which pull out easily for quick changes and they come with insulated rubber pads for grabbing hold of hot tips to do the change. I don't know about the Wellers but I would have thought they would have similar capability? If your typical usage is always regular through hole 0.1" parts or SMD's which are comparatively large pitch then yes you will probably largely get away with a single tip for most work. As soon as you need to do really fine pitch or tiny SMD parts you need to go smaller and if you do large connectors with big pins or have PCB's with large copper planes and thermal vias then some components can be impossible to work on with the regular size tips used for SMD work and you need something bigger to be able to get enough heat into the joint to get them to reflow properly.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 7 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    It is great to see other perspectives. You are right - wet sponges have some issues.

    However, I have never used the metal wool (usually brass) tip cleaners in my lab - in all the labs I've been in where they used them it seems every iron tip is virtually unusable - I just don't know how long it takes to get to that state. I thought they did it mostly to avoid water resupply. I was always leery that the metal abrasion of even soft metal wool would be hard on the tinned tip. Rubbing the tip on metal is the primary unpreventable cause of tip failure and I always thought it should be minimized.

    I do quite a bit of soldering (not daily, but several times per week) and my tips last between 1 and 3 years before they start to degrade. Once the iron coating gets damaged, the tip's days are numbered. I do keep them tinned and only subject them to thermal shock sponge cleaning just before soldering something. I also don't leave the iron hot for long periods when not soldering. (I use a Hakko) But the primary reason I use wet sponge is I get a cleaner tip and find it easier to get good solder joints.

    Here is an article with tips on tips for anyone interested:

    http://www.newark.com/pdfs/techarticles/oki-metcal/extendingTipLife.pdf

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  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hi Doug!

     

    Awesome list by the way!

    Regarding sponge/metal wool, I felt exactly the same way, i.e. surely the coiled metal wool would harm the tip. I don't know the mechanics (I guess the softer metal harms less than the cold water), but it does work amazingly well, and the tips last as long (or longer maybe). By poking into the metal wool a couple of times, it pulls off any debris and wipes it clean. The 'wool' is like thin flat tape, coiled like a phone handset cable after years of misuse! I'm guessing the edges of the flat tape are what are causing the wiping to be successful, and the springiness and thickness of the tape applies the right pressure. I have some small pot of tip cleaner which I've never used since, and several sponges that I've not opened, I really should sell them.

    The only slight problem with the metal wool is that it can sometimes catch on the edge between the tip and the element : ( but I can live with that it is just an occasional minor annoyance.

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  • dougw
    0 dougw over 7 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I don't mind giving metal wool a try. I have not seen any kind of definitive study of which is better so maybe a proper test is the only way to figure it out. I have only seen theory that the brass which is harder than solder can scape the "solder wetting" off an iron tip, whereas the wet sponge will not remove the solder wetting from the iron. Once the wetting is scrapped off to expose the bare iron, iron oxide will form (accelerated due to high temperature) and iron oxide cannot be re-wetted. If your iron tip doesn't have a uniform solder coating, this is the likely cause. I would like to know from members experience how long tips last using metal wool as a cleaner.

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  • luislabmo
    0 luislabmo over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hello Doug,

     

    Iron hardness is a bit higher than brass, so as long as the wool ball is made from brass there should not be major problem with your tips. A different story would be using a Stainless steel wool -found good explanation of Wet Sponge Cleaning vs. Dry Brass Sponge Cleaning if you are curious-. tbartonnewark to increase tip life something that has worked for me is not leaving the hot iron unused for long periods -reducing oxidation-, also when you are done soldering, coat your tips in solder which will help avoiding oxidation too.

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    0 luislabmo over 7 years ago in reply to dougw

    Hello Doug,

     

    Iron hardness is a bit higher than brass, so as long as the wool ball is made from brass there should not be major problem with your tips. A different story would be using a Stainless steel wool -found good explanation of Wet Sponge Cleaning vs. Dry Brass Sponge Cleaning if you are curious-. tbartonnewark to increase tip life something that has worked for me is not leaving the hot iron unused for long periods -reducing oxidation-, also when you are done soldering, coat your tips in solder which will help avoiding oxidation too.

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