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RF transmission testing inside a Faraday cage

ralphjy
ralphjy over 3 years ago

Since there is RF expertise in the community, so I thought I'd try to get some insight into an area where I don't have much experience.

I'm currently working a project testing BLE transmitters and my current workroom location can experience a fair amount of RF noise in the 2.4GHz ISM band (primarily due to existing WiFi and Bluetooth/BLE).  My primary mitigation when possible is to increase distance from or turn off noise sources.  I started thinking about whether I could test within an RF shield.  My previous experiences with testing within RF enclosures was over 40 years ago and we used room scale enclosures to house the equipment and operators.

I was wondering if anyone has tried small scale enclosures to shield only the EUT and measurement setup.  What would be a good minimum size at this frequency?

TIA for any feedback.

Ralph

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 3 years ago +7
    For rudimentary functional tests, I have heard of individuals using old microwave ovens as 2.4GHz faraday cages lol
  • robogary
    robogary over 3 years ago +6
    Hi Ralph - Green Bank Radio Telescope Observatory has entire buildings constructed as Faraday cages. Besides being a really fun and interesting visit, it is a public treasure, open to collaboration with…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 3 years ago +5
    Hi Ralph, For transmission testing, just a spectrum analyser type of tool can be used (with appropriate attenuation), and a coax would be connected from the 50 ohm output (i.e. not solder any antenna…
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  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 3 years ago

    Hi ralphjy a while back I did some RF measurements as part of a Molex antenna selection test. I've gathered a few more bits since then like SDR but I noted a homemade anechoic chamber in section 7.1 of my test report: /products/roadtest/rv/roadtest_reviews/400/molex_24ghz_5ghz_ant

    The anechoic chamber not only sheilds external RF interfereing with your measurements but it also attenuates internal reflections that would also render your measurements inaccurate.If you can afford it I ponder if the low-cost metal sheds would make an idea starting place. However, RF has a way of sneaking in the very smallest of gaps (depending on wavelenght) and via feed through cables and pipework. Commercial anaechoic chambers as well as screened rooms have metal finger seals around the doors and filtering on the cables/pipes.

    The mention of using a local park or field is another great choice if you can work off battery power and if a public space be ready to explain your setup...maybe also to the local law enforcement! A step up would be a boat where you can get away from RF signals and nosey questions plus have a bit of power available, and a fridge for essential test refreshments Smile

    I hope you'll have a lot of fun experimenting and learning with BLE and RF. Good luck.

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  • ralphjy
    ralphjy over 3 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    Hi 14rhb,  I took a look at the link in your roadtest and also looked at the first video where he talked about the construction of the RF absorber I Want to Build an RF Anechoic Chamber.

    Interesting, but definitely too much work for my project.  And I think my wife would frown on my making a mess molding a bunch of cones - although she is pretty tolerant of my projects Nerd.

    I took a look at RF absorption material, but even small sheets of it are too expensive to build a reasonable enclosure.  A large field would probably be the best option as you and shabaz have suggested.  I could probably clean out a small metal shed, but it's too bad that absorbing material is so expensive.

    I will have fun experimenting and I'm sure that I'll learn something - I already have Relaxed...

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    ralphjy over 3 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    Hi 14rhb,  I took a look at the link in your roadtest and also looked at the first video where he talked about the construction of the RF absorber I Want to Build an RF Anechoic Chamber.

    Interesting, but definitely too much work for my project.  And I think my wife would frown on my making a mess molding a bunch of cones - although she is pretty tolerant of my projects Nerd.

    I took a look at RF absorption material, but even small sheets of it are too expensive to build a reasonable enclosure.  A large field would probably be the best option as you and shabaz have suggested.  I could probably clean out a small metal shed, but it's too bad that absorbing material is so expensive.

    I will have fun experimenting and I'm sure that I'll learn something - I already have Relaxed...

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  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 3 years ago in reply to ralphjy

    It was at the higher end of homemade solutions and definately messy, so good call on giving it a miss. I think it would likely cost quite a lot of money in reality give the price of epoxy and even then the results are uncertain.

    I've wondered if lower cost approaches would work. Typical RF anechoic material is a series of pyramids like:

    Anechoic material series of pyramids, reflects RF down into the valles.

    photo source: from Google search => https://www.comsol.com/blogs/modeling-rf-anechoic-chamber-using-periodic-structures

    I wonder if a vacuum former would be able to make something like this which could then be spray painted with metalic paint ? Might result in being able to make many panels reasonably cheaply ?

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    ralphjy over 3 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    It seems the trick is in using the absorptive material (he was using carbon and graphite).  It would be a fun experiment but I couldn't justify the time and expense to do it.  Maybe if I were designing antennas...

    I was thinking absorptive foam (flat sheets) might be good enough for my purposes if I could find something inexpensive to try.

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  • 14rhb
    14rhb over 3 years ago in reply to ralphjy

    Good point: my idea with metalised surface would just bounce the EM wave down into the valley, I guess at extreme it would then eventually reflect back out?

    For low cost approaches: Carbon from lumpwood charcoal perhaps - pulversed in an old blender and mixed with cement? Render it over plasterboard or plywood substrate?

    Some commercial materials look like pieces of antistatic foam from IC boxes. Maybe larger sheets of antistatic matting could be used to line a timber framework? https://uk.farnell.com/c/static-control-site-safety-clean-room-products/esd-protection-products/anti-static-mats

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  • rsjawale24
    rsjawale24 over 3 years ago in reply to 14rhb

    Hi! An antenna designer here. Read some very interesting comments on this post. A fully metallic chamber is called as a reverberation chamber and is used to determine the efficiency of the antennas. Anechoic chamber is used for testing the radiation pattern, gain, etc of the antenna. The cost of building an anechoic chamber is very high. We recently got one in my lab and it cost us around 12800 USD and it works only till 18 GHz.
    The size of the cone determines the absorption levels and the frequency of the chamber.
    Free air testing is also possible for radiation pattern measurements given that there aren't many obstacles in the room so as to minimize the reflections from the objects.

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