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Hot Air Tool Upgrade - Quick TR1300A

shabaz
shabaz over 2 years ago


I’ve been really stuck for hot air tools for ages, every few months checking out the prices, and always giving up!

I decided to bite the bullet and purchase one. I wanted one with a spinning blower (i.e. not a noisy vibrating air pump), and with the blower in the main body of the unit, not integrated in the handle.

I considered these options:

(1) E-bay used JBC JT 6040 tool that looked like it was manufactured in the last century, for £250 (minimum bid, it could have gone higher), with a description that stated “..currently just gauging interest” (Edit: someone purchased that for £260 in the end)
(2) E-bay Weller tool WTHA 1  apparently "new without box", for £500 starting bid, at which it didn’t sell, but it’s now re-listed at a more sensible starting price (Edit: someone purchased that for £610 in the end)
(3) Quick 861DW, new, for £260 including delivery
(4) Atten ST-862D, new, for £190 including delivery
(5) Multicomp MP740784 , new, for £174 including delivery
(6) Quick TR1300A, new, for £320 including delivery

I was really close to choosing option (2), because it is a current model, and I would be able to buy accessories for it. However, £500 is just a bit too high at Xmas time (EDIT: it sold for £610 including delivery at the final bid by someone, so I'm glad I didn't wait the week bidding for it) especially since I would only use it intermittently because I can always fallback to doing some surface-mount work with a normal soldering iron, I prefer the soldering iron for the simpler components such as SOIC, TSSOP, etc. I wanted the hot air tool for the more complicated packaged components.

I ruled (1) out almost immediately, since perhaps the seller isn’t even sure what price to sell it at, and it all looked pretty ugly. Blowers and other parts can wear out, and it could be a nightmare to fix if/when it goes wrong.

I considered (4) and (5) to be near-similar options, and with hindsight, I should have chosen one of those. I didn’t at the time, because option (4) used a courier service that I wasn’t happy with, and option (5) was currently out of stock.

That left options (3) and (6). Since the price difference was not much between the two, I went with the newer model, i.e. option (6).

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It’s a beast, absolutely huge. That’s a negative since it means I won’t keep it on the bench all the time. I’ve placed it on a mini-shelf because I just cannot see myself leaving it on the main desk surface with the fat hose covering a huge portion of the desk too. Now I can see why people would prefer an integrated soldering station and hot air station. Otherwise, it's just too much equipment footprint.

I used a laptop stand for the photo above, but I will replace that with a better stand when I use it, I've seen a little desktop speaker stand that will be ideal. I will probably put the Quick device away to keep the desk clear when I don’t need it.

I’ve not used it yet, I only powered it up and checked that the air and heat work. The display is great. The entire unit looks well built. The handle sometimes tends to stick in the stand, it doesn’t always easily lift out with one hand. That’s slightly annoying.


The nozzles are really nice, they click on and off nicely without a lot of effort, and I think they are identical to the Quick 861DW nozzles. The unit came with three straight nozzles, and I purchased a couple of angled ones from the same seller, they were very low-cost.


Just as a size comparison, the photo below shows the tiny Metcal HCT2-120 alongside the Quick unit. They are not really comparable in heating performance. The Metcal unit is used frequently, since it’s excellent for connectors/wires, for heat-shrink purposes. It’s like a super-accurate heat gun. There is a newer HCT2-200  model which would be a better choice than the HCT2-120 nowadays.

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For the Quick unit, I will use it with a pre-heater – I have a very basic one called TMT-PH200. It uses quartz infra-red heating tubes, which tend to cook the face if you get too close to the board! I don't think I can recommend it. It's OK-ish for the price but that's it.

If anyone needs the info, I got the Quick TR1300A from the seller in the screenshot below:

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But, if one really doesn't have the desk space and needs a hot air tool, then I believe the Atten or Multicomp products would be a far better option, (for occasional work, otherwise something like Weller/Metcal/JBC would be preferred!),  since the ST-862D has excellent reviews. If you have other suggestions, it would be great to hear them, since everyone needs to find ways of working with surface-mount parts at some stage.

Thanks for reading!

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago +7
    A little demo of how I unsolder and resolder SMDs with hot air https://youtu.be/1MWqME8EeVE Filmed with a web cam that has a hard time focusing. Forgot to turn on the microphone, so did a talk over…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz +4
    Oddly enough, at the time, the combined station was the cheaper option, lest I get one of those wretched "fan-based" hot air guns which aren't so stable at low flow rates. They do work, but it just doesn…
  • Andrew J
    Andrew J over 2 years ago +3
    I have an Atten one and it’s been great so far, about the size of the Metcal one. I csn/have hand soldered SOIC etc as well, but now I just get a stencil with the boards I order and use this with a pre…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago

    I was going to post this in a USB-C discussion, but maybe it's more relevant here. Not hot air tool related, but certainly surface-mount related.

    I was looking at USB-C Power Delivery based devices, and saw this thing:

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    It's a USB-C PD soldering iron, but interestingly it uses JBC tips (which are good, and the small size is great for surface-mount work as well as normal component through-hole work). (There is also an  S20 version for even tinier JBC tips, but from my perspective that's overkill, I've not required that level of miniaturization so far, but perhaps more relevant for people working in mobile phone tech, etc). 

    I don't know if it supports grounding however. Maybe that is supported if the USB-C cable can be grounded (e.g. by using a special cable with the ground brought out to an earthing plug connection) otherwise it won't be fit for purpose.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Yes! Its alive Heart I have it booting in regular 1-bit SPI mode!

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    import os
    
    fname ='myBigLog.dat'
    N = 4096
    testdata = os.urandom(N)
    
    with open(fname, 'wb') as f:
        readback = bytearray(N)
        for i in range(1600):
            testdata = os.urandom(N)
            f.seek(i*N)
            f.write(testdata)
            
            f.seek(i*N)
            f.readinto(readback)
            
            if readback == testdata:
                pass
            else:
                print(f'Block {i} Failed!')
                
            if ((i + 1) % 10 )== 0:
                print(f'Testing Block {i+1}!')
                
    print(os.statvfs('/'))
    os.remove('myBigLog.dat')
    

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I would love to have a usb powered portable soldering iron! There are few times where I would rather take a soldering iron to the project rather project to soldering Iron. I have thought about the TS80P but haven't done enough research to know what products are available. Its kind of expensive for something I would rarely use but I may also end up loving it, who knows! 

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    That's interesting, the TS80P seems like a similar-ish product, but it's more expensive. I don't know which one is better. The S60 is £39 versus £55 for the TS80P. However, I'm familiar with the C210 tips, so I can compare the S60 versus a normal JBC station. I've ordered a S60 because I too would like a portable iron.

    It won't arrive till mid-January, so I can report back then if it's any good or not!

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    I went with a "Novalife TS80P." But, like many things in this category, I don't think the brand/company matters. I bought it to have an iron with me when I travel to conferences like Kansas Fest and DEFCON. You know, for emergency badge hacking sessions.

    I did a live stream where I soldered an SMD kit from Jim Hearny with it while running on a USB-C power bank. It was a board that converts binary to decimal (or the other way around?) Cute kit. I was surprised at how long the 10000 mAh battery lasted. A couple of hours and still had a large amount of energy left over when I was done.

    At one point, I forgot I was using a battery-based soldering iron. I can recommend it for those rarely-needed situations. And I almost feel comfortable suggesting it as a first iron--except for the grounding issue.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    I use a WXMP MS soldering iron which is only rated for 40W but with the thermal control loop it always seems to work just fine.

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    I am guessing these micro USB irons also work quite well (if not better) at temperature regulation.

    Its quite neat that some of these first time tools aren't disposable, even if you migrated to a higher end soldering iron you would still be grateful to have a portable usb iron :) I know I want one, just have to convince myself its worth the price tag lol

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    Nice use-case with the power bank!

    I finally found a video with the S60, (seems like a good video but I didn't understand the language - might be Filipino), and the guy has a 60000 mAH power bank! It's even got a little dashboard : ) 

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    From the photos, the TS80P is actually round like a normal soldering iron, whereas the S60 in the video isn't as ergonomic. 

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    In the case of the S60, since it uses C210 tips, they are just 20W as I understand, but perhaps they peak more, I have not measured. I use C210 regularly, for 95% of the time, for through-hole and surface-mount, only swapping to the higher-power one rarely, for very large connectors. If the S60 can deliver that power and control it well, I'll be delighted, because I love using the C210 system. But it is a big "if" since the temperature measuring and algorithm needs to be good, since that's part of the JBC secret sauce.

    They claim 60W, but that's using a PD mode that offers 5A, which (from my limited understanding of USB-PD) would need a special cable with integrated chip. Without a special cable, 30A or a bit higher should still be feasible.

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  • rsjawale24
    rsjawale24 over 2 years ago

    I was also looking for a good hot air gun for SMD work. Almost all the models were out of budget except for some locally manufactured ones that come in a bulky black coloured metal box. I wasn't sure about them since they had mixed reviews on Amazon. Finally settled for a hot air gun with a temperature and fan controller in a portable kinda setup from a reputed manufacturer in India. The hot air gun is different and the control unit is different. The control unit can control the fan speed as well as temperature of the gun. I got it for Rs. 3500 approx. 42USD. 

    It has auto cutoff feature. When the air gun is placed in it's holder, the temperature starts dropping and it finally shuts off. But as soon as one picks it up, it again starts heating up to the previous set point temperature.

    Here's a picture of the same (Credit: Soldron website)

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago

    A little demo of how I unsolder and resolder SMDs with hot air

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    Filmed with a web cam that has a hard time focusing. Forgot to turn on the microphone, so did a talk over after the facts.

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