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Hot Air Tool Upgrade - Quick TR1300A

shabaz
shabaz over 2 years ago


I’ve been really stuck for hot air tools for ages, every few months checking out the prices, and always giving up!

I decided to bite the bullet and purchase one. I wanted one with a spinning blower (i.e. not a noisy vibrating air pump), and with the blower in the main body of the unit, not integrated in the handle.

I considered these options:

(1) E-bay used JBC JT 6040 tool that looked like it was manufactured in the last century, for £250 (minimum bid, it could have gone higher), with a description that stated “..currently just gauging interest” (Edit: someone purchased that for £260 in the end)
(2) E-bay Weller tool WTHA 1  apparently "new without box", for £500 starting bid, at which it didn’t sell, but it’s now re-listed at a more sensible starting price (Edit: someone purchased that for £610 in the end)
(3) Quick 861DW, new, for £260 including delivery
(4) Atten ST-862D, new, for £190 including delivery
(5) Multicomp MP740784 , new, for £174 including delivery
(6) Quick TR1300A, new, for £320 including delivery

I was really close to choosing option (2), because it is a current model, and I would be able to buy accessories for it. However, £500 is just a bit too high at Xmas time (EDIT: it sold for £610 including delivery at the final bid by someone, so I'm glad I didn't wait the week bidding for it) especially since I would only use it intermittently because I can always fallback to doing some surface-mount work with a normal soldering iron, I prefer the soldering iron for the simpler components such as SOIC, TSSOP, etc. I wanted the hot air tool for the more complicated packaged components.

I ruled (1) out almost immediately, since perhaps the seller isn’t even sure what price to sell it at, and it all looked pretty ugly. Blowers and other parts can wear out, and it could be a nightmare to fix if/when it goes wrong.

I considered (4) and (5) to be near-similar options, and with hindsight, I should have chosen one of those. I didn’t at the time, because option (4) used a courier service that I wasn’t happy with, and option (5) was currently out of stock.

That left options (3) and (6). Since the price difference was not much between the two, I went with the newer model, i.e. option (6).

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It’s a beast, absolutely huge. That’s a negative since it means I won’t keep it on the bench all the time. I’ve placed it on a mini-shelf because I just cannot see myself leaving it on the main desk surface with the fat hose covering a huge portion of the desk too. Now I can see why people would prefer an integrated soldering station and hot air station. Otherwise, it's just too much equipment footprint.

I used a laptop stand for the photo above, but I will replace that with a better stand when I use it, I've seen a little desktop speaker stand that will be ideal. I will probably put the Quick device away to keep the desk clear when I don’t need it.

I’ve not used it yet, I only powered it up and checked that the air and heat work. The display is great. The entire unit looks well built. The handle sometimes tends to stick in the stand, it doesn’t always easily lift out with one hand. That’s slightly annoying.


The nozzles are really nice, they click on and off nicely without a lot of effort, and I think they are identical to the Quick 861DW nozzles. The unit came with three straight nozzles, and I purchased a couple of angled ones from the same seller, they were very low-cost.


Just as a size comparison, the photo below shows the tiny Metcal HCT2-120 alongside the Quick unit. They are not really comparable in heating performance. The Metcal unit is used frequently, since it’s excellent for connectors/wires, for heat-shrink purposes. It’s like a super-accurate heat gun. There is a newer HCT2-200  model which would be a better choice than the HCT2-120 nowadays.

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For the Quick unit, I will use it with a pre-heater – I have a very basic one called TMT-PH200. It uses quartz infra-red heating tubes, which tend to cook the face if you get too close to the board! I don't think I can recommend it. It's OK-ish for the price but that's it.

If anyone needs the info, I got the Quick TR1300A from the seller in the screenshot below:

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But, if one really doesn't have the desk space and needs a hot air tool, then I believe the Atten or Multicomp products would be a far better option, (for occasional work, otherwise something like Weller/Metcal/JBC would be preferred!),  since the ST-862D has excellent reviews. If you have other suggestions, it would be great to hear them, since everyone needs to find ways of working with surface-mount parts at some stage.

Thanks for reading!

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago +7
    A little demo of how I unsolder and resolder SMDs with hot air https://youtu.be/1MWqME8EeVE Filmed with a web cam that has a hard time focusing. Forgot to turn on the microphone, so did a talk over…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz +4
    Oddly enough, at the time, the combined station was the cheaper option, lest I get one of those wretched "fan-based" hot air guns which aren't so stable at low flow rates. They do work, but it just doesn…
  • Andrew J
    Andrew J over 2 years ago +3
    I have an Atten one and it’s been great so far, about the size of the Metcal one. I csn/have hand soldered SOIC etc as well, but now I just get a stencil with the boards I order and use this with a pre…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer
    baldengineer said:
    I bought an Aoyue 852A

    These Aoyues are like Antonov cargo planes from the soviet era. Heavy, noisy, ugly, do the job.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    There is one great thing about it: I never leave it on accidentally.

    (And even if I do, I appreciate its auto-cool down.)

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    The serial flash from an Raspberry Pi Pico? *gasp

    - Gough

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago

    I grabbed a Tenma SMD Rework Station Bundle which was a rebadged Atten AT8502D Multi-Function Rework Station back in 2014 (https://goughlui.com/2014/09/29/quick-review-tenma-smd-rework-station-bundle/).

    It's still going well despite being a little "marked-up" on ratings. The pump is still noisy, but it goes fine and the handpiece has survived a few bumps too, falling off the stand. I'm still on the original soldering iron tip - the shape has changed but the plating seems fine. Managed to finish a 250g spool in the intervening years.

    As usual, YMMV as far as cheap and Chinese products go, but I've been pleasantly surprised. Some other visitors have not, complaining of various errors ...

    - Gough

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    Good to hear that it has lasted so long, that's impressive. I was originally sceptical about getting a combined soldering + hot air station, because I may want to upgrade one or the other function, but I'm coming around to thinking a combined unit is a lot more convenient, since then it's really actually designed for staying on a desk. Whereas the Quick unit cannot possibly permanently remain on a desk (unless you're really into regular hot air work in a big way!) due to the size.

    The vibrating pump could be an issue for some, but probably the newer models have replaced that with a blower.

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  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Oddly enough, at the time, the combined station was the cheaper option, lest I get one of those wretched "fan-based" hot air guns which aren't so stable at low flow rates. They do work, but it just doesn't seem to be as consistent (especially nozzle-to-nozzle) as one with a proper diaphragm pump.

    Mine does rest on my desk at all times. I still have a Metcal iron I keep tucked away for when this one fails ...

    When all else fails, time to get a bigger desk? *chuckle*

    - Gough

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    I think you're right, a diaphragm pump should be pretty good, but sadly I cannot run the vibrating hot air tools, they would wake up people (I work all sorts of hours). I had a ZD-939A which was pretty noisy, so that put me off those. However, even this Quick model can sound like a quiet vacuum cleaner when it is venting the hot air after use. But it's a more home-friendly noise.

    The actual unit has about 20 x 25 cm footprint so that doesn't sound a lot, but that huge pipe snaking around the desk, and the separate stand, would easily consume the full depth of a desk : ) Which is fine if you use such a device regularly, but I'm not sure I will sadly! 

    image (Image source: Louis Rossmann's YouTube pages)

    I'm way more likely to use the Metcal unit, because I heat-shrink with it all the time. 

    However, I have a solution that I can test when it arrives:

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    This should hopefully allow the stand and hose to be placed more conveniently. The hose will still take up space, but less of the desk surface, and the hose might be in a better position to curve onto the PCB surface. No idea, but worth a try! 

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago

    I did a brief test.

    By coincidence using another Quick product   Soldering Iron Thermometer QUICK 191AD Review  (it has a plug-in thermocouple), and positioning it about 10mm away from the nozzle end, and checking the temperature set to 250 deg C, and 350 deg C, the error was pretty low. Respectively, it measured about 254 deg C, and I think it measured about 366 deg C in some parts of the airstream but it was hard to keep it in position. 

    I desoldered all of these parts off a board! 

    I used a speed setting of 30, and a temperature of 420 deg C for desoldering (I believe in a YouTube video I saw 450 deg C being used by Louis Rossmann). That's how the rectangular IC at the bottom of this photo was removed. No idea if it still works (the board was already non-functional so I cannot re-apply and test).

    For the remainder parts, I used a pre-heater, and the top surface of the PCB was just hot to the touch, perhaps about 80 deg C on the top surface (it's not a very powerful pre-heater, it was set to 250 deg C, but it's a completely unrealistic value on a PCB). Then, I used the Quick tool with no change in settings.  

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    I had not expected that inductor to come off! That's given me some reassurance that I'll be able to solder the inductor onto the USB board I'm working on (  100W USB Type-C Power Delivery Source: Getting Started   ) .

    The scrap board I used is likely around 10 layers thick (it's a specialist computer board). Nice to see how they did the thermal relief.

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    I used an 8mm dia nozzle for all the above. I think I'll order an 8mm angled nozzle too, since it seems a convenient size for typical QFN parts.

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  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe over 2 years ago in reply to Gough Lui

    lol yes! You have excellent deductive powers!

    My hot air station made quick work of turning my pico into a hot potato. Though it still shows up as a usb flash drive even with no memory (credit to RPI bootrom)

    Hopefully with some mod wires I will turn the pico into spice fries lol 

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago in reply to scottiebabe

    Path to different Pseudostatic RAM?

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