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Reviving an oxidized tip

neuromodulator
neuromodulator over 2 years ago

I recently forgot to turn off the soldering station and ended up leaving it on on at 380 °C for around 12 hours. The tip ended up very oxidized and unable to get tin to stick to it. I looked for information on how to "revive" the tip and found a video about it from Androkavo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JADI1N-K9Yc. I tried everything shown there except the sandpaper, the steel wool, the knife and the tip tinner. After a lot of effort, I managed to get a bit of the surface with a more silvery look, but It still could not get solder to stick to the tip. As a last resource I decided to try electrolysis, which I know is quite effective in removing rust, but I was not able to find any info on how good or bad of an idea is to do it with a soldering tip. I left the tip submerged into a beaker with tap water and electrolyzed it for around 5 minutes. After removing it from the bath its color barely changed, so I didn't expect much, but when I tried to put solder into it, tin began to stick into it.

It is unclear to me whether electrolysis caused any damage to the soldering tip, so I do not recommend using this method unless you are willing to take the risk or have more knowledge about chemistry than I do.

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  • kkazem
    kkazem over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps +7
    The stuff in the round can at the bottom was also called "tip tinner" and was sold by many brands. If the tip's melted solder stops flowing evenly on it or if there are places on the tip where molten solder…
  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago +4
    Quality solder tips are plated with chrome (over the iron plating over the copper core.) My understanding is that electrolysis is an effective way to remove chrome from a surface! So while you may…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 2 years ago +3
    I generally never let the tip get bad enough that it would lose enough of its tinned area that it couldn't function well enough as a soldering iron, although I did get close. In my early days, I would…
  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 2 years ago

    Predicting the future: this will not survive past a few uses, and the tip will wear fast.

    The thing that protects it, is iron plating. That will be completely gone after your hard work.

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  • neuromodulator
    neuromodulator over 2 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Did you try it too? What increases the wearing speed?
    It still allowed me to finish a long soldering session, so that was still better than having to toss it to the bin.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago

    Quality solder tips are plated with chrome (over the iron plating over the copper core.)

    My understanding is that electrolysis is an effective way to remove chrome from a surface!

    So while you may have removed the thick oxidation, you likely removed the protective chrome layer as well.

    FYI, This is a cross-section I got from Weller.

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    It's not clear to me what the "pre-tinned" tip in this case is. However, my assumption is that the layers wrap around to the tip (yellow section).

    FYI, Weller sells a polish bar you can use to scrape oxidation off of a tip in bad condition. (Just make sure the tip is cold when you do!) For a video on tip maintenance, I accelerated the oxidation of a tip. I was able to recover it with the bar. (but I would probably only use it until I got a replacement.) Nice to have when you're in a pinch, but I would instead recommend keeping a back-up tip on-hand!

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  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    My understanding is the solder tinning only sticks to iron so that is what is right at the tip.. Further up, the iron is protected by chromium and nickel but the iron right at the tip is only protected from rusting by solder tinning. Rust happens quickly at high temperature - it eats away the iron and solder doesn't stick to rust, which is why tinning is so important.

    Copper gets heat to the tip, Iron protects the copper from oxidation and wear, solder protects the iron from oxidation. The best refurb method would remove all rust from the iron tip without removing any solid iron.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago

    I don't know how to fix this, but curious what you try, since I have a rust issue to deal with too (got some rust on a flat surface in the shed, because I forgot to oil it this winter : ( I've wiped off a lot just scrubbing with an oiled cloth (and also tried with isopropanol), but there's still a faint layer of oxidization on some parts of it, and I need it as completely flush and clean as possible (no sanding, the surface is machined to be flat, and I want to keep it that way!).

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  • neuromodulator
    neuromodulator over 2 years ago in reply to baldengineer

    Interesting! What is special about the "polish bar"? How does it compare to using sandpaper, a file or steel wool?

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    I don't know what its composition is. However, I suspect it is softer than the plating but hard enough to remove oxidation.

    The problem with all three of the methods you listed is that they'll take the protecting plating off the tip along with the corrosion. This is bad because then you're almost instantly oxidizing layers that were not meant to be exposed to oxygen, much less oxygen, while heated.

    So sandpaper or steel wool can be helpful as a temporary fix if you have zero other options. But once you use them, consider the tip dead and needing replacement.

    Personally, I'd rather have a spare tip around than the polish bar. Tips are consumables that should be replaced periodically anyway.

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  • neuromodulator
    neuromodulator over 2 years ago in reply to dougw

    I had same understanding. I just submerged the tip, so I don't know if chrome would be affected, but as I understand metal oxides get reduced through electrolysis, so I'm not sure what mechanism could cause damage to the metal components.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    That polish bar sounds like it might work on rust spots, or maybe a brass scraper. Maybe you could try polishing it with some scratch removal compound meant to fix vehicle paint scratches. I've used it to remove scratches from DVDs but haven't tried it on rust spots.

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  • baldengineer
    baldengineer over 2 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Do you have access to DeoxIT?

    Their claim is that the compound can break up the oxidation's bond to the pure metal and separate them. (I'm not sure how to prove or disprove that.)

    That sounds like what you're trying to do.

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