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Material to absorb RF

skeevestevens
skeevestevens over 7 years ago

I need to put an antenna close to/against metal.

 

What sort of material could I put below it to absorb the RF rather than the metal reflecting it?

 

...Skeeve

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  • gervasi
    gervasi over 7 years ago +2 suggested
    What are you trying to accomplish? Ordinarily I'm trying to prevent objects near an antenna from absorbing energy from the antenna. Once you tell me your goal, I may realize I was missing an obvious inference…
  • skeevestevens
    skeevestevens over 7 years ago in reply to gervasi +1
    Hey Charles, I have a big metal box 1m3 with no top. I have a reader under the box with a small hole in the corner for the antenna to pop through and be in the very corner due to the volatile nature of…
  • gervasi
    gervasi over 7 years ago in reply to skeevestevens +1 suggested
    The antenna will be right against steel and aluminium. The antenna will be right against steel and aluminium. I think you should have the antenna not contact the aluminum, but it can be close. If possible…
  • genebren
    0 genebren over 7 years ago

    Hi Skeeve,

     

    I have not used these materials, but this might be what you are looking for:

     

    http://www.masttechnologies.com/rf-absorbers/

     

    Good luck,

    Gene

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  • gsgill112
    0 gsgill112 over 7 years ago

    Wouldn't grounding the metal with the RF Ground Help ?

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    0 skeevestevens over 7 years ago in reply to gsgill112

    I'm not sure... I don't have much expertise in this area image

     

     

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    0 gervasi over 7 years ago

    What are you trying to accomplish?  Ordinarily I'm trying to prevent objects near an antenna from absorbing energy from the antenna. 

     

    Once you tell me your goal, I may realize I was missing an obvious inference that I failed to see. 

     

    I have some thoughts about this once you tell me what you're trying do.  image

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    0 skeevestevens over 7 years ago in reply to gervasi

    Hey Charles,

     

    I have a big metal box 1m3 with no top. I have a reader under the box with

    a small hole in the corner for the antenna to pop through and be in the

    very corner due to the volatile nature of the contents of the box - things

    being tipped in and out.  The 'things' will have beacons in them.

     

    The antenna will be right against steel and aluminium.  Rather than reflect

    the signal straight back into the antenna, I was hoping to absorb it to

    reduce conflicting noise.

     

    That are your thoughts?

     

     

    ...Skeeve

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    0 gervasi over 7 years ago in reply to skeevestevens
    The antenna will be right against steel and aluminium.  The antenna will be right against steel and aluminium. 

    I think you should have the antenna not contact the aluminum, but it can be close.  If possible bond the RF ground on the board to the aluminum enclosure, close to where the antenna protrudes.  Then the aluminum of the enclosure will act as a ground plane for the antenna.  Passing through the aluminum hole will affect impedance matching to the antenna, but hopefully not that much.  You could find someone to match later as a finishing touch.  It shouldn't be too much of a problem.  Your signal will radiate outside the enclosure and have decent isolation from things inside the enclosure.

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  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 7 years ago

    What sort of frequency are we talking about.?

    many antenna designs use the metal ground to reflect the other half of the antenna, and a 1/4 wavelength does exactly that.

     

    If the metal box is associated with the reader you may be able to utilise it for part of your antenna.

     

    Rather than reflect the signal straight back into the antenna, I was hoping to absorb it to reduce conflicting noise.

    If the antenna and the beacons are on similar frequencies, and you need to get a signal back to the reader, then you may have issues.

    If the antenna is simply transmitting then it won't care about the beacons, even if it is on the same frequency.

     

    Perhaps some added information might allow us to make some better suggestions.

     

    Mark

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  • jc2048
    0 jc2048 over 7 years ago

    If it's microwave (2.4GHz ISM or above) you might consider a patch antenna. That could sit against metal without any problems (internally, the patch is placed just above a ground plane, so further metal underneath doesn't affect the properties). You can buy commercial patch antennas with ceramic between the patch and the plane. Here's an example (not a recommendation - I've never used one of these)

     

    http://www.taoglas.com/product/wlp-2450-25-4-a-02-2-4ghz-bluetooth-wlan-zigbee-patch-antenna-25mm/

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