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GPS modem interfacing with controllers

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Former Member over 15 years ago

Hi,

 

I am a student and I plan on making a final year project. I am trying to connect a controller to a mobile device using a wireless connection. I have no ideea what kind of wireless module to use. Are there some kind of GPS modems that can do this task? I am planning on transfering large data if possible. Maybe a GPRS or EDGE connection can be realized some how.

I have also heard about some long distance wireless kits ( can go up to 7km). Can these be connected to my smartphone/PDA?I know these are using 802.15 protocol while the phone WiFi is 802.11g.

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  • Former Member
    0 Former Member over 15 years ago
    HI there... hopefully thats a good idea. can u please tell me the microcontroller you prefer to use with the part number? and the GPS you have bought?
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I did not acquire any parts yet because I am still on the brain-storming part, but I am planning on using an ATMEGA controller( any other would do too I think... also I have thought of an ARM).

    Concerning the GPRS module I started to look at the SIM300 from SimCON. I noticed that they have a great documentation and their not that expensive either.

    I quited the ideea of a GPS module. This will be an optimization maybe after I will integrate the GPRS module with an uController.

     

    After doing some research I came accross this schematic(attached). I do not fully understand the schematic but I would like to ask you your oppinion on this circuit, and if your answer is possitive I could look into it some more.

     

    Thank you for your interest.

    Attachments:
    imageAVR-GSM.pdf
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  • Chris_Pinter
    0 Chris_Pinter over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hello Alexandru,

     

    I am afraid you might be biting off more than you can chew.  There are a couple of facts you need to be aware of.

     

    1.  GPS stands for global positioning system.  This system provides you with a location of the earth using a receiver unit on the ground.  The system has some 32 satellites in space and orbit the planet.  The receiver on the ground picks up signals from each of the satellites and can determine the location on the earth.  see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

     

    2. GPRS stands for General packet radio service.  It is a cellular phone service that allows you to transmit data information through the cellular phone system.  However, it is not necessarily available from all of the telephone companies. see.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gprs

     

    3. Developing a cellular phone module is not easy nor  is it cheap.  It should definitely not be done by a student.   The development costs will run you over $50,000 or even $250,000 and the certification costs will be close to $50,000 as well.  You need certification or at least a partnership agreement with the cellular phone company before you are allowed to test on the cellular network of choose.

     

    4.  The picture of the development kit you provided is not a schematic and does not do anything.  The picture you provided is an interface board that will allow you to interface between a RF module and the development PC.  You need to research what module you need first before you buy one of these.

     

    If you are planning to building something for a class project ( ie: your industry project)  you need to think smaller.   I would suggest you look at a radio frequency link that uses modules.   There are many companies on the market that provide you a simple wireless system to get you going.

     

    Here are a few.

     

    http://focus.ti.com/analog/docs/rfifcomponentshome.tsp?familyId=367&contentType=4&DCMP=TIHomeTracking&HQS=Other+OT+home_p_rf_if

     

    http://www.digi.com/

     

    Need more help see.

     

    http://www.pinterec.ca/services/wireless-development/ti/low-power-rf-zigbee

     

    Hope this helps,

     

    Chris Pinter

    http://www.pinterec.ca

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  • KennyMillar
    0 KennyMillar over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    I think you would be better using something like the Android platform.

    It has all the baseband (mobile data) and wifi stacks taken care off, all you need to do is develope an application to do whatever it is you need.

    You can transfer data locally to the device via the built-in WiFi and then transfer data over the wide-area using the built in mobile radios.

     

    Android can be found at www.android.com

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Chris_Pinter

    Hi Chris,

     

    I know the meaning of those things you explained there, maybe I seemed not knowing because I jumped from a subject to another without saying.

    There is a circuit in the attached file at the middle somewhere(pag 8). There is the full schematic of the evaluation board from Olimex.

    I will take in consideration your suggestion aswell, but the implementation won't fit for my requirements. I need something that will help me comunicate with a mobile phone. The only thing that I can use is a wireless module that would access the GSM frecquency: GSM/GPRS module

     

    I am not planning on building the whole phone even though I am close to that. I am trying the basic in GSM communication.

     

    It is an ambitious project and this is the reason why I need some help.

     

    Thank you for your concern.

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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to KennyMillar

    Hi Kenny,

     

    This would be the alternative. If I can not integrate the GPRS module I will have to make a USART or WiFi  etc connection with a mobile device and then use the built in GPRS.

    By the way I forgot to post the exact device I am planning to use:

    http://wm.sim.com/Sim/FrontShow_en/wireless/detail.aspx?cid=6&nid=4

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    0 Chris_Pinter over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Hello Alexandru,

     

    Please take the time to explain your thought clearly.  It is very important to use the correct acronyms because the engineers in the community can focus on your needs and not correct inconsistencies and guess at your true intention of questioning.
    The module you have selected is a good choose.   You can also check out Sierra Wireless.  I have used a couple of these modules.
    http://www.sierrawireless.com/productsandservices/AirPrime/Embedded_Modules.aspx
    The most important thing you will need to do is secure a test account with a cellular phone company. I found a couple of companies that can provide you a development account without contacting the large cellular phone providers.  Here is a short list.
    www.m2mglobal.com
    www.waveroute.com
    www.m2msim.com
     
    Hope this helps,
    Chris
    http://www.pinterec.ca/services/wireless-development/wireless-capabilities
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Chris_Pinter
    Thank you Chriss, I will look into it.
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    0 Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Chris_Pinter

    Hi again,

     

    Can you tell me why is it important to secure a test account with a cellular phone company?

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    0 Chris_Pinter over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Well....you could use a cellular phone simulator.  However, that would be costly in the order of $5,000 per month to rent or over $150,000 to buy.

     

    You could buy a SIM card from your local cell phone store and put it into the module.  However, this would be bad because you would be putting an untested device on the network and the phone company will not like that.  Putting an untested device on the network will cause potential problems for the system and you could get in trouble with the carrier, FCC or other regulator body.  It is best not to do it as it is very unprofessional.  Not a good way to start your career.

     

    It is always better to get a test account.  It only costs $15 to $30 per month and the company will be able to provide you with technical support when you have problems accessing the networks.   Forming this relationship with a phone company is also very important for your career.  You get to work with a technical person in the industry who might be able to be convinced to provide you with a reference or could become a potential employer.....Also when you do your thesis your instructors will ask you about how you did the testing and doing it right will get you a better mark. 

     

    I hope this answers your questions.

     

    Chris

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