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m.ratcliffe
m.ratcliffe over 10 years ago

A lot of us here are working on hydroponics or aquaponics, a lot of the sensors are outdated and it would be great to have more information about the growing fluid at our disposal. On this page it would be great if we could discuss general techniques and potential prototypes to measure all the things we feel are important in a growing fluid.

 

Aims, to make a cheap [sub $XXX] spectrometer[or other] capable of measuring the quantity of chemicals in a liquid:

>What is needed :

Automated Green House Blog:20.1 - Toying with Chemical Analysis - Essential Nutrients

 

What is bad and can accumulate:

> [Coming Soon]

>Other things we can think of

 

 

Types of sensing [this will grow larger I hope and each one will have its pro's and cons listed]

>IR Spectrometry

>UV Spectrometry

>Mass Spectrometer [Will build this later]

 

Other ideas:

>Change frequency of AC EC measurments, maybe we can see polarisation happen for each element at a certain frequancy.

>Charge a probe to +5 and measure its depletion curve. maybe there will be peaks at certain times as polarisation is reversed.

 

I know very little on this topic right now, but maybe with a few of use we can make it work.

 

 

Maybe we could share the load between us and each tackle a small portion of the problem each, ie write up a little about what we need to measure, each sum up a common technique used today and pro's/cons of automating it.

 

If anyone can think of a better place to house this discussion on Element14, please let everyone know. And could one of the admin tag everyone in it, so all of the other great contest content does not put it in their shadow.

 

Some Useful Links:

http://store.publiclab.org/products/desktop-spectrometry-kit-3-0

 

 

 

 

Message was edited by: Michael Ratcliffe Anyone can Alter the content, please leave a short summary here of the changes

 

Contributors:

m.ratcliffe

RWReynolds

shabaz

michaelkellett

 

DAB I cant find a way to link you, but do you want to join the project?

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  • RWReynolds
    RWReynolds over 10 years ago +1
    Cool! Been waiting on this discussion michael. I will jump in shortly. Right now I'm working on EZR32WG code. I have all the code from the EFM32ZG ported and working well. So, I can controll my rotator…
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    m.ratcliffe over 10 years ago in reply to RWReynolds +1
    Great news, if we all work on it a bit at a time when we have free time it should still make great progress! I am working on a Ph controller with a local aquaponics group, as always the code/build tutorial…
  • RWReynolds
    RWReynolds over 10 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe +1
    Well, it had to happen Michael. The good news - My recovery from ankle replacement surgery has been remarkable. 20 years of, often, excruciating swelling and pain gone. I still have physical therapy and…
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    RWReynolds over 10 years ago

    Cool! Been waiting on this discussion michael.

     

    I will jump in shortly. Right now I'm working on EZR32WG code. I have all the code from the EFM32ZG ported and working well. So, I can controll my rotator, control and monitor the nutrient pump timer, acquire MCU based sensor data and talk via UART to the RPi. Just working on getting a data acquisition and control working over the radio link. But it's coming along great. Just a matter of putting in the time to writhe the code now.

     

    My system is completely built and tested. I'm ready to grow when Dave gives the word. image I will be working on implementing additional sensor, via this discussion, and hopefuly automated control over nutrient replinishment and pH levels.

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    m.ratcliffe over 10 years ago in reply to RWReynolds

    Great news, if we all work on it a bit at a time when we have free time it should still make great progress!

     

    I am working on a Ph controller with a local aquaponics group, as always the code/build tutorial will be available to all using conventional sensing methods. It may be a little late coming for your project, so I will keep an eye on your implementation because It is hard to control PH adjustments. Non linear coupled with the long mixing times makes it hard work.

     

    If we had a better understanding of the fluid [like the one we are building here] we know how much PHup/Down to add in order to overcome any ph buffers. I'm enjoying reading your updates, get a video up of it in action when you have time. i'm sure many people would find it interesting.

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    RWReynolds over 10 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe

    Well, it had to happen Michael.

     

    The good news - My recovery from ankle replacement surgery has been remarkable. 20 years of, often, excruciating swelling and pain gone. I still have physical therapy and muscle retraining to do, but it's coming along really well. image

     

    The bad news - They made me go back to work at my day job. lol... So my time has become a bit of a commodity. Thankfully most of the heavy lifting work is done and now it's all about just tweaking and enhancements. image image

     

    But, I fully intend to continue this development after this particular challenge is completed. And I'm very interested in moving forward with additional data acquisition and control of cultivation systems. I will chip in and help with further research as soon as I get my project code to a point where it suffices for the challenge. It certainly seems you've been very busy with this work. image

     

    And I will have videos up soon of the entire system up and running.

     

    Cheers,

    Rick

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    RWReynolds over 10 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe

    Well, it had to happen Michael.

     

    The good news - My recovery from ankle replacement surgery has been remarkable. 20 years of, often, excruciating swelling and pain gone. I still have physical therapy and muscle retraining to do, but it's coming along really well. image

     

    The bad news - They made me go back to work at my day job. lol... So my time has become a bit of a commodity. Thankfully most of the heavy lifting work is done and now it's all about just tweaking and enhancements. image image

     

    But, I fully intend to continue this development after this particular challenge is completed. And I'm very interested in moving forward with additional data acquisition and control of cultivation systems. I will chip in and help with further research as soon as I get my project code to a point where it suffices for the challenge. It certainly seems you've been very busy with this work. image

     

    And I will have videos up soon of the entire system up and running.

     

    Cheers,

    Rick

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