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m.ratcliffe
m.ratcliffe over 10 years ago

A lot of us here are working on hydroponics or aquaponics, a lot of the sensors are outdated and it would be great to have more information about the growing fluid at our disposal. On this page it would be great if we could discuss general techniques and potential prototypes to measure all the things we feel are important in a growing fluid.

 

Aims, to make a cheap [sub $XXX] spectrometer[or other] capable of measuring the quantity of chemicals in a liquid:

>What is needed :

Automated Green House Blog:20.1 - Toying with Chemical Analysis - Essential Nutrients

 

What is bad and can accumulate:

> [Coming Soon]

>Other things we can think of

 

 

Types of sensing [this will grow larger I hope and each one will have its pro's and cons listed]

>IR Spectrometry

>UV Spectrometry

>Mass Spectrometer [Will build this later]

 

Other ideas:

>Change frequency of AC EC measurments, maybe we can see polarisation happen for each element at a certain frequancy.

>Charge a probe to +5 and measure its depletion curve. maybe there will be peaks at certain times as polarisation is reversed.

 

I know very little on this topic right now, but maybe with a few of use we can make it work.

 

 

Maybe we could share the load between us and each tackle a small portion of the problem each, ie write up a little about what we need to measure, each sum up a common technique used today and pro's/cons of automating it.

 

If anyone can think of a better place to house this discussion on Element14, please let everyone know. And could one of the admin tag everyone in it, so all of the other great contest content does not put it in their shadow.

 

Some Useful Links:

http://store.publiclab.org/products/desktop-spectrometry-kit-3-0

 

 

 

 

Message was edited by: Michael Ratcliffe Anyone can Alter the content, please leave a short summary here of the changes

 

Contributors:

m.ratcliffe

RWReynolds

shabaz

michaelkellett

 

DAB I cant find a way to link you, but do you want to join the project?

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  • RWReynolds
    RWReynolds over 10 years ago +1
    Cool! Been waiting on this discussion michael. I will jump in shortly. Right now I'm working on EZR32WG code. I have all the code from the EFM32ZG ported and working well. So, I can controll my rotator…
  • m.ratcliffe
    m.ratcliffe over 10 years ago in reply to RWReynolds +1
    Great news, if we all work on it a bit at a time when we have free time it should still make great progress! I am working on a Ph controller with a local aquaponics group, as always the code/build tutorial…
  • RWReynolds
    RWReynolds over 10 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe +1
    Well, it had to happen Michael. The good news - My recovery from ankle replacement surgery has been remarkable. 20 years of, often, excruciating swelling and pain gone. I still have physical therapy and…
  • m.ratcliffe
    m.ratcliffe over 9 years ago

    Hey People,

    I will be writing up in more detail the nutrient requirements of plants, simple overview with a list and a few references/useful links. And another one on the UV technique later in the week.

     

    Shabaz, would you mind writing a quick summary of the inductance measurments, pro's cons and a few links to one in action. To give the rest of us a litle intro into it because I'm guessing we are all new to this. And anyone with some spare time, any input would be great, maybe lets concentrate on techniques rather than implementation this first week?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 9 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe

    I actually tried to make a slit over the weekend when I had half an hour, here was my quick attempt:

    image

    It is basically two scalpel blades with the sharp ends close together. Behind the blades is a large (8mm dia) hole.

    Here is the view from the other side:

    image

    I just finger-tightened the nuts, and then manually adjusted the blades until they almost touched. However, it wasn't great. Probably razor blades have a much better defined edge.

     

    Anyway, it seemed to work. This was the setup - I just used a keychain LED light as a test source light.

    image

    I manually held the diffraction grating over the slit (about 1 inch apart) and took a photo with the other hand, excuse the blurriness:

    image

     

    The colors from the white LED are easily visible.

    So, it would appear it is not hard to get some output, not optimal but works.

    By the way I tried to repeat with the DVD-R, but I got nothing like this level of output. So maybe the Edmund Optics kit is worth obtaining just to make life easier.

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  • m.ratcliffe
    m.ratcliffe over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz

    What is the size of the gap you aimed for when you closed the gap between the blades?

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 9 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe

    Hair-width, anything around 40-100um. Basically by holding it to a light, the gap should be visible, but about paper thickness or less. It is possible to eye-ball it and get the slit parallel to 20um I reckon..

    I did try holding small piece of tape at the end (not the center, otherwise it messes up the sharpness of the edge) and then at the other end, alternating until the gap was perfect. That kind-of worked, but the scalpel edge was not perfectly straight. I think razor blades will be more accurately cut.

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  • m.ratcliffe
    m.ratcliffe over 9 years ago in reply to shabaz

    So we would need to be changing these blades every so often to stop corrosion changing the sharpness of the slit. something we could live with. Great start!

    We should have a decent list of what we need to measure and what we would like to measure soon, just cutting a few papers down into a readable chunk tonight.

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  • balearicdynamics
    balearicdynamics over 9 years ago in reply to m.ratcliffe

    Hi Michael,

     

    the problems of the blades oxidation exists. This is a valid solution also adopted by some professional analysis devices but the blades are to be considered as spare parts (or using nobile metals like Platinum but I suggest not image ) Then AFAIK from a previous life as chemistry, I suggest to make a blade support for the more standard cutter blades that cost few $ per pack and replace them periodically. Also when oxidation starts the first thing that is attached is the thickness part and the results can be altered by small blade discontinuities. I think that in this way the solution will work perfectly, expecting for an almost continuous usage a blade replacement every 1-2 weeks.

     

    Enrico

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  • DAB
    DAB over 9 years ago

    Yes, I have been waiting for a good discussion on spectroscopy.

     

    For crop health information, you can do a lot of processing with just RGB photographs, but adding a good IR image can greatly expand the information content.

     

    I hope to get to providing some good articles on these issues over time, but it looks like we have a good exchange of information already.

     

    DAB

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  • m.ratcliffe
    m.ratcliffe over 9 years ago

    I've just added a bit of a write up for what we need to measure. If anyone has any posts/blogs add a link here and I will update the main page with them. A write up on any part would be appreciated.

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  • alfred3axel
    alfred3axel over 7 years ago

    I was looking a website that provides all chemicals used in marine industry.

    RX Marine was established in 1996 in Mumbai, India; as a chemical manufacturing company catering exclusively to the needs of the marine industry. In a short span of 12 years the company has established itself as one of the leading wholesale suppliers of a wide range of chemicals for - Marine industry internationally - and other local industires and plants. Our client list bears testimony to this. The RXSOL policy has its foundations on two pillars of strength - a continuous investment in research and development to deliver premium quality products and a commitment to service.

     

    Degreaser

     

    Thanks!

    Alfrad Axel

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