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XRGB Framemeister

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Former Member over 10 years ago

With the ability for older consoles to output RGB at only 240p, and using an upscaler like the framemeister you can get amazing picture quality upscaled to 1080p.   The bad thing is the framemeister is only available in Japan and is over $300.

There are cheaper SCART to HDMI adapters you can buy but they sometimes add latency or will take the native 4:3 and when you tell it to output 1080p it will scale it and stretch it out.

I have one of the cheaper SCART to HDMI adapters, and as you can see by the screenshot this is how my "Elgato HD60" sees the HDMI signal coming from the converted connected to my SNES.

 

Here is a good YouTube video to get you informed about it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43dzrCAfU3A

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 10 years ago

    Hi Troy,

     

    Your test screenshot actually looks pretty good! Your capture device (as I understand) uses compression, so while it is good quality, it will further look slightly better if you plug the HDMI

    directly into the TV rather than the elgato, as you've probably noticed. Plus you've noticed the delay of compression of course.

     

    From what I can tell from the youtube video, that 'Framemeister' product is scaling the video but without 'interpolation', because the resultant video (to me) looks sharp but blocky.

    In other words, the resultant video looks like the original game creator intended, but on a larger, HDMI screen.

    This would be fine if the screen was viewed from a distance, but nowadays screens are physically much bigger and often people sit just as close to the TV as before.

    So, the blockiness is more apparent than it was in the past.

    There is no easy solution. One option is to use something like the product in the video and just live with the blockiness, and be content that it is what the creator intended if

    people did sit far away from the TV.

    Another approach (which is what I suspect TVs do) is 'interpolation'. There is an example of bilinear interpolation here, about half-way down the page. The image of Tintin is

    scaled but with interpolation. Basically calculations are used to create new pixel. As an analogy, if you know a car is at position A at time 0, but at position C at time 1,

    then you could guess that the car might have been at position B at time 0.5. Its not a perfect guess. This results in sometimes a fuzzier edge, but could be considered better if you're

    watching from close-up since you won't see as much blockiness. I don't know what games players prefer though (I'm not knowledgeable in this). But notice when they show some examples, in some circumstances the

    video from that product actually looks worse. Here is an example where the left side is claimed to look bad. But on my PC monitor (i.e. I am up close to the screen), the right

    side looks worse because the arm looks so blocky because it is stretched at 45 degrees. I would prefer the left side image in this instance. But it is subjective, so others would disagree with this.

    Also, interpolation can be done at high speed (i,e. unnoticeable). Whether it is, I don't know. It would depend on the algorithm and the TV's capabilities.

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    I'm not sure spending $300 for trying to improve component video or RGB is worth it, since component or RGB quality is already actually not bad for analog, and they are better options than composite.

    There was even a time when there was HD analog video in some parts of the world at more than a decade before HDMI, so analog doesn't necessarily mean bad.

    Everyone has a different understanding of value, so $300 for that product might be worthwhile for some. However, it might be possible to just buy a monitor that can support these

    connectors if one prefers the interpolated images, for the same price.

    I have a monitor that accepts composite, SVideo, RGB, HDMI, DVI and computer style VGA connections. (There is one on ebay for $49 although it may be missing the

    power supply in which case it is useless..).

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    Former Member over 10 years ago

    Pick up a Sony Trinitron from someone doing it away having RGB Scart. The best picture imaginable and a near free solution. Check up on your local craiglist or ebay.

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