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Hi Don,

Just be aware that Planck's constant and radiation law are not correct over the range indicated in the current physics domain.

I am still working out details, but the idea of temperature related to photon wavelength is incorrect.

Yes there is a correlation, but each photon represents a specific kinetic energy based upon its mass and charge.

If you use Planck's radiation law, you get the wrong values for any photon outside a limited domain of 1 to 3 microns.

Even there, he was wrong as his experimental apparatus and sensors were providing the wrong information over the ranges of temperatures he used to create his fudge factor.

DAB

PS to all, magnetism is a field, not a radiation.  Radiation occurs via photon flow where as a field is created by the movement of electric charge.

The emission of photons is explicitly defined as "radiation" as the mass and energy is transferred via discrete objects.

So is the emission of protons, and neutrons. At least they do actually have mass. But they never travel at the speed of light like photons/electromagnetic waves do.

"Long wave RF signals tend to use molecules to transfer energy, but not necessarily mass, so I think there is some doubt about using radiation with those frequencies."

I'm sorry but OMG are you serious ? They travel through "empty" space as well as as any electromagnetic wave/particle at any frequency does. Please supply all

data from any experiment that says this is not so or that molecules are required for LW RF to propagate.

"Magnetic force/field is just a component of the photon vibration."

Citation ? And it still "radiates" with the photon.

"It is the mass of the photon that carries the energy"

There is absolutely no experimental data that shows that photons have mass. NONE. That is why they are able to travel at the speed of light. No particle with mass

has ever been found to do that. They can get close, but no cigar.

"I know this view is controversial, but it better fits the data and explains why there are still unresolved issues at this level of physics."

After well over one hundred years of data from intense scientific experimentation with electromagnetic radiation and particle radiation of all forms that says it doesn't,

perhaps you could share the "data" you say this hypothesis fits.

Chaps Chaps Chaps, stick to the point I am not interested in what the hell you call it radiation, propagation, distribution, self perpetuation or any other term.

What I want to know is which parameters to adjust to extend the range of a electromagnetic device i.e. a coil with a core.

I would suggest that the permeability of the material would play a big part but none of you have suggested using a material with a higher / better permeability. Is this because I am wrong ??

regards

Les Collier

You can increase power or channel the field.

To channel the field you need to stay below material saturation.

We cannot suggest a suitable channeling solution unless we know what the target geometry is.

What field strength do you need and at what distance?

Hi Les,

Part of the beauty and nature of the discussions on E-14 is that they don't always stay on topic precisely. Sometimes they get chaotic and sometimes members will discuss personal business half way through your discussion on hall effect sensors or whatever. Everyone here has different knowledge and expertise and a general inclination to share but they will not just perform. Be patient and tease the conversation back where you want it to be by asking questions. The more specific the question the better. This is not a typical forum and respect and civility here is treated the same as if all the participants were face to face.

If you put highly permeable material in the center of the coil and provide one also around the outside of the coil you will keep the magnetic field that is generated in close proximity to the coil. This will also slightly increase the effect of the field on either end at the N and S poles but it may not give you the kind of distance you are hoping for. Once we have concentrated the field with the permeable material the only way to increase its strength at a point in space axial to the coil will be to increase the power.

John

Les, please, draw us a picture with some dimensions.

I think what you want to make is a sort of magnetic torch, where the solenoid coil is the torch and magnetic flux is sort of beamed out of it. If so then you need to reconcile yourself to the fact that the flux will be proportionally small 1 solenoid length away from the end of the coil. Putting cores in the coil won't help because they will saturate at quite low flux levels.

Really big magnets (the superconducting things for MRI scanners) are several feet in diameter and the stray field a few feet away is quite big - but 20 feet away not very big at all.

If you want a steady state field you'll be limited by heating problems. If you want pulses you can push the power in the pulse up quite a lot.

But we're all just guessing here - what do you actually want to do with this thing - if we knew that we might be able to help a bit more.

MK

Hi Les,

My apologies, but I was just trying to highlight that you get better answers to your questions when you provide clear and concise descriptions of your problem or idea.

Calling it magnetic radiation conjured up a host of ideas in my mind as I have become very intimately involved with these relationships over the last few years.

I know you just want a simple answer, but getting the terminology correct and a clear description of your issue enables us to better focus in on an answer that will benefit you.

DAB

Hi Gary,

If you want to discuss these issue further I suggest you send me a private message and I can go into more detail.

Yes I do understand my ideas run contrary to everything you have been told or think you know about EM, but I have evolved a more concise theory and model that clearly identifies that there are glaring errors in the current physics behind these effects.

DAB

All methods to do what you want do do have already been mentioned on this thread as of at least a day ago. All options to increase the range of the solenoid

by increasing the reach of the magnetic field (in this case this is what it should really be called) will require an increase in power, it's the law. At this point since

you are the only one that knows what you are actually trying to do (although you have been asked twice now to better explain it) and all the options have been

on the table for a while, no one else can add much to the discussion about your specific case or come to any kind of reasonable conclusion as to what would

probably be the best thing to do. So at this point it's up to you to figure out which method you want to use, or provide more information on what you are trying

to do so the others that may have a better understanding of magnetics can provide further guidance.

Hello Everyone

                         can I start by thanking you all so much for your contributions I have plenty to go at.

I am sorry I have been a bit cagy with details My patent agent said that I must not divulge anything about the device as it may prejudice my patent application which I will make in due course. That's not for one minute inferring that you might want to copy the idea, just simply that if you did not know the content you could not have been the one to spill the beans, does that make sense, I hope so and please please do not take offence. Non intended.

I will come back when I done some more work and let you know how I got on. Untill  then Many thanks for the input. Sufficient to say that if I am successful we may have collectively saved a life.

Regards

Les Collier

Hi Les,

Thanks for clarifying your post.

I understand, having been through the patent process, I fully understand the intense level of secrecy involved.

Good luck with your idea and I am very interested in what you end up with.

Please keep us informed and let us know if you need more support.

DAB

Hi Les,

Thanks for clarifying your post.

I understand, having been through the patent process, I fully understand the intense level of secrecy involved.

Good luck with your idea and I am very interested in what you end up with.

Please keep us informed and let us know if you need more support.

DAB