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I think this is a buck converter, but I'm not entirely sure.

capacitance_incarnate
capacitance_incarnate over 8 years ago

So I have this little chip here from a cigarette lighter psu, but there isn't a voltage regulator any where in it. If this is indeed a buck converter, that would explain the lack of a regulator, but I'm new to this kind of stuff, (I first got into it  while creating a project for school last year) so I would appreciate any help I can get.

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    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to capacitance_incarnate +2 suggested
    Take a look at the datasheet for the controller here (assuming it is the one Shabaz is referring to): http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1723944.pdf?_ga=1.226316314.1698039299.1446112257 If you look at…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +1 verified
    Hi Jake, That is a voltage regulator, also known as a DC-DC converter or a Buck converter when it uses an inductor and switching and steps down the voltage. You could confirm by examining the part code…
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    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to capacitance_incarnate +1
    Jake Linville wrote: ok so the big resistor up top is a 0.39 Ω ± 2%. I'm assuming thats the one that I need to replace, because there is no way I could replace the little ones on the bottom. Unfortunately…
  • shabaz
    0 shabaz over 8 years ago

    Hi Jake,

     

    That is a voltage regulator, also known as a DC-DC converter or a Buck converter when it uses an inductor and switching and steps down the voltage.

    You could confirm by examining the part code on the integrated circuit, and obtain the datasheet for the part online. It is extremely likely to be MC34063 (or similar) because that is common in low-cost USB car chargers (and from the photo, the pinout looks about right for that).

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    0 capacitance_incarnate over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz

    Thanks so much! I'm assuming the input voltage would be 12v, yes? Also, is there anyway i can change the output voltage? I'd like to lower it to around 4.7 volts.

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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to capacitance_incarnate

    Take a look at the datasheet for the controller here (assuming it is the one Shabaz is referring to): http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1723944.pdf?_ga=1.226316314.1698039299.1446112257

     

    If you look at Figure 15 on page 11 this is the circuit for a step down converter. In the circuit in this drawing R1 and R2 are the feedback resistors which are used to set the output voltage. The CII input feeds into a comparator inside the device, the other input being a 1.25V reference. The device will try and adjust the output such that the voltage on the CII input matches the reference voltage so if you want to change your output voltage then select values of R1 and R2 such that CII is at 1.25V for your desired output voltage.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    0 capacitance_incarnate over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    ok so the big resistor up top is a 0.39 Ω ± 2%. I'm assuming thats the one that I need to replace, because there is no way I could replace the little ones on the bottom., and to figure out what I need to replace the top one with, i need to figure out the bottom resistors and plug them into that equasion thing. (cant seem to find it right now. anyone know it?)

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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to capacitance_incarnate

    Jake Linville wrote:

     

    ok so the big resistor up top is a 0.39 Ω ± 2%. I'm assuming thats the one that I need to replace, because there is no way I could replace the little ones on the bottom.

    Unfortunately that would be a bad assumption and the reason for the assumption is not good either image

     

    The 0.39 Ohm resistor is the current sense resistor for the active current limit. This equates to Rsc from Figure 15. So if you want to adjust the output voltage of this regulator you'll need to get yourself a decent soldering station and learn how to replace surface mount resistors yourself I'm afraid, unless you know anybody else than can do it for you.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    0 shabaz over 8 years ago in reply to capacitance_incarnate

    Hi Jake,

     

    It will not function to produce a 5V output if you do that. In the datasheet, there is a circuit diagram for step-up mode, which is different from step-down mode. It would be awkward to try to modify to step-up mode without a new circuit board or cutting tracks etc. However, step-up devices are available from ebay etc at low cost, e.g. this one (I've not tried it, so cannot be sure it is any good, but I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work):

    8W Boost step up Adjustable Regulator Converter 5V-12V Power Supply Module | eBay

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    0 capacitance_incarnate over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I'm not making it go to step up mode, it runs on 12v and I want to lower the output from 5v to 4.7v although I now know that I'm going to have to find someone to replace the surface mount resistors for me.

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    0 rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz

    I think it's the output he want's to lower to 4.7V not the input voltage. But yes, there are limits to how the input/output can be altered without needing to change the topology of the circuit and/or a number of other components which would get difficult to achieve on a board like this.

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    0 shabaz over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael,

     

    Ohh I see. I'm sorry Jake, please ignore my comment!

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    0 capacitance_incarnate over 8 years ago in reply to shabaz

    its fine. I admit I could have worded it better.

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