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Does anyone know of a good circuit design to demonstrate echo on voice communications?

rad_bcit
rad_bcit over 2 years ago

Many years ago, one of the things that attracted me into taking telecommunications training was a demo illustrating the effects of echo on a person’s ability to communicate over a telephone.

The user picked up a plain old telephone handset and attempted to speak and, as with most telephones, as portion of the voice signal from the transmitter/mouthpiece was echoed back as “sidetone” via the receiver/earpiece. At some settings of the device, I found it very difficult to speak because of the echo.

A snippet from https://getvoip.com/blog/phone-echoing/ (Rebecca Drew) explains the effect I experienced:

Echoing interferes with our understanding of another person’s voice in a phone call, and it confuses a person who is speaking because they hear themselves on the line. The problem is the delay between the spoken word in the outbound call stream and its reflection in the return stream. …

If the delay is less than 25 milliseconds, it’s almost undetectable. If the delay is around 55 milliseconds, the user experience is similar to having 2 people saying the same thing at the same time (a chorus-like effect). This level of echo or delay, though noticeable, is tolerable.

Once a delay increases beyond 55 milliseconds it becomes very annoying and distracting to users. At this point, it becomes nearly impossible to carry on a conversation. For a normal user, the echo of their own voice will essentially break down the call by interrupting their thought process.

My hope is that I can reproduce this fascinating demo for use in student recruiting events.

Does anyone have any ideas, circuit diagrams, or resources that would help me get this done?

I don’t have a large budget, but I have access to many tools and electronics components to get this done from scratch. However, I also think a black box modifying a prebuilt device such as a musician’s effects pedal such as the MXR Carbon Copy, would do the job, making more efficient use of the limited amount of time I have available.

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  • beacon_dave
    beacon_dave over 2 years ago +2
    You just need a microphone, an audio delay and some headphones. You can get the same effect with in ear monitors if the delay from your microphone through the mixer back to the in ear monitors goes beyond…
  • rad_bcit
    rad_bcit over 2 years ago in reply to beacon_dave +2
    Thanks for the reply, beacon_dave. Your suggestion of video has given me another idea. Perhaps I could show the same video image on multiple systems, each displaying a different amount of pixelation…
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 2 years ago in reply to rad_bcit +2
    Great! If you get stuck feel free to ask, I'm sure eventually one of us will figure it out. It's definitely an interesting topic. I recall talking to an ex audio-engineer once, he mentioned that in…
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    0 Derek (DCtoDaylight) over 2 years ago

    As beacon_dave and robogary mention, bucket brigade would be a great way to go, though as you said below it is somewhat digital.. though much of the technology inside is gloriously analog!

    Tape delay would be the closest to full electronic/analog solution and an interesting visual.

    For the POTS ringy-dingy, I made a thing that may be of interest: https://youtu.be/BGbmFF56iH8 Maybe you can tap off the line and put the signal through the PT2399 and control the delay with a potentiometer. Not fully analog, but...

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    0 Derek (DCtoDaylight) over 2 years ago

    As beacon_dave and robogary mention, bucket brigade would be a great way to go, though as you said below it is somewhat digital.. though much of the technology inside is gloriously analog!

    Tape delay would be the closest to full electronic/analog solution and an interesting visual.

    For the POTS ringy-dingy, I made a thing that may be of interest: https://youtu.be/BGbmFF56iH8 Maybe you can tap off the line and put the signal through the PT2399 and control the delay with a potentiometer. Not fully analog, but...

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