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AM & FM differences...still learning after 27 years

colporteur
colporteur over 1 year ago

I worked in aviation for seventeen years and never heard of this Amplitude Modulation (AM) and Frequency Modulation (FM) anomaly. 

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/demonstrating-the-fm-capture-effect-why-aircraft-use-am/

I challenge the supposition it is the reason why aviation is still using AM. If that had some bearing then Marine frequency wouldn't use FM.

27 years ago my career path took a forked that moved from aviation electronics to system administration. I still treasures the memories of RF waves.

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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago +2
    I agree with you. There could be any number of reasons why AM is used for some aircraft speech comms (presumably some comms, perhaps data links is digital and they will be using different modulation).…
  • Gough Lui
    Gough Lui over 1 year ago +2
    Well, I'd say it's a complex set of reasons ... The first is probably for legacy reasons - it's not easy to force everyone to change-over to another system, especially one that is multinational. Aviation…
  • robogary
    robogary over 1 year ago in reply to Gough Lui +1
    Thanks - a good job explaining getting "stepped on" :-) I wonder if legacy is the main driver. There are lots of big aircraft , and also small aircraft and airports with existing equipment. Unless there…
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  • shabaz
    shabaz over 1 year ago

    I agree with you. There could be any number of reasons why AM is used for some aircraft speech comms (presumably some comms, perhaps data links is digital and they will be using different modulation).

    Propagation through the atmosphere (and bouncing off objects!) is a difficult enough concept even without movement, so there may be all sorts of experience with moving aircraft. Even ultra weak AM signals transmitted at low power can be deciphered, who knows if FM receiver techniques have evolved to that level; it may be moot if digital modulation methods are more useful than AM speech for the aviation industry (I've no idea). Anyway, it's possibly a mix of technical reasons, legacy reasons, e.g maybe there's just not a significant enough benefit to switch, and legislation reasons too (available channels and their bandwidth).

    I still quite like AM (I reluctantly recently purchased a VHF FM receiver, it is a lot more fun searching AM transmissions on HF; I have a decent receiver for that).. AM is still used worldwide by soldiers too, at HF and VHF. And they also use FM for different purposes. They have loads of experience with the technologies, and they know how to transmit for thousands of miles with AM (usually its sibling, i.e. SSB) using the atmosphere to bounce off (admittedly mostly on HF, so the comparison isn't exactly the same), with just a few Watts of power.

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    shabaz over 1 year ago

    I agree with you. There could be any number of reasons why AM is used for some aircraft speech comms (presumably some comms, perhaps data links is digital and they will be using different modulation).

    Propagation through the atmosphere (and bouncing off objects!) is a difficult enough concept even without movement, so there may be all sorts of experience with moving aircraft. Even ultra weak AM signals transmitted at low power can be deciphered, who knows if FM receiver techniques have evolved to that level; it may be moot if digital modulation methods are more useful than AM speech for the aviation industry (I've no idea). Anyway, it's possibly a mix of technical reasons, legacy reasons, e.g maybe there's just not a significant enough benefit to switch, and legislation reasons too (available channels and their bandwidth).

    I still quite like AM (I reluctantly recently purchased a VHF FM receiver, it is a lot more fun searching AM transmissions on HF; I have a decent receiver for that).. AM is still used worldwide by soldiers too, at HF and VHF. And they also use FM for different purposes. They have loads of experience with the technologies, and they know how to transmit for thousands of miles with AM (usually its sibling, i.e. SSB) using the atmosphere to bounce off (admittedly mostly on HF, so the comparison isn't exactly the same), with just a few Watts of power.

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