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dougw
dougw 1 month ago

A very common practice when designing with MCUs is to dedicate at least one MCU pin to drive a diagnostic or indicator LED.

There are several simple circuits that can accomplish this function. I am curious to know if  most designers use the same circuit, and if not, why not? 

Edit by cstanton : I liked this post so much I decided to elevate it to Question of the Month for August (Close enough for UK time zone anyway!)


Leave a comment that explains how it came about that you use a particular circuit.

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  • rsc
    rsc 1 month ago +4
    I usually have a 2-pin header(s) somewhere for power supply(s) voltage(s) that I can put a LED jumper with a resistor on it. That way I don't have to have a LED on all the time, just for diagnostics.
  • scottiebabe
    scottiebabe 1 month ago +2
    modern leds are blindingly bright with just a few mA.
  • genebren
    genebren 1 month ago +1
    I have been using NeoPixel Mini 3535 RGB LEDs as my go to indicator on my boards. At < $0.20 in quantity of 100, it is cheap enough, and the RGB capability gives me a bit more flexibility.
  • genebren
    genebren 1 month ago

    I have been using  NeoPixel Mini 3535 RGB LEDs as my go to indicator on my boards.  At < $0.20 in quantity of 100, it is cheap enough, and the RGB capability gives me a bit more flexibility. 

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  • dougw
    dougw 1 month ago in reply to genebren

    Cool method. How many lines of code does it take to make it indicate something?

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  • DAB
    DAB 1 month ago

    All decisions are based upon the project requirements.

    If your requirement fits an old circuit, then you can reuse it.

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  • dougw
    dougw 1 month ago in reply to DAB

    I generally use a FET (to protect the MCU) and resistor because that is what I stock for this function.

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  • genebren
    genebren 1 month ago in reply to dougw

    Coding in 'C' it takes about 18 lines of code to send the serial string to the NeoPixel, which I do with a bit-banged IO port (pin).  There is an additional overhead to build the string, which is 3 lines of code for each color intensity change.  The programming string is 24 bits, for the 3 LED intensities, GRB ordering, 8 bits each. The timing is pretty critical, so the code must run with interrupts off (or at least make sure that the code can run without being interrupted).  A 'zero' is .2 to .4 us high time, while a 'one' is .58 to 1.0 us.

    Doing this with bit-banged IO, there are some changes to the code that need to be made to account for the microprocessor clock speed.  As the clock speed increases, you need to add additional 'NOP' commands to keep the clocking rates correct.

    Sure, it is easier to just toggle a pin, but using smaller microprocessors, pin are at a premium.  Being able to 'blink' in different colors is a nice added feature.  Also, the NeoPixels are daisy chainable, so multiple LEDs can be driven off the same pin.

    I have a client that wanted 256 level programmable RGB LEDs for his project and theses are cheaper that other approaches.

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  • dougw
    dougw 1 month ago in reply to genebren

    And of course after you have done the code once, you can reuse it on any project without re-inventing it ...

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  • kmikemoo
    kmikemoo 1 month ago

    My first response to the question was "poorly".  I always find a way that I would have preferred to use AFTER I commit to a course of action.  Then I read a bit more. Laughing

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  • genebren
    genebren 1 month ago in reply to dougw

    That is so true.  I have used this same code (with timing modification) is several products/projects.  I really try to re-use code wherever possible.

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  • aspork42
    aspork42 1 month ago

    Arduino IDE serial port for me usually…

    <rant> but at work (industrial equipment), and on the higher level (servo drive controllers, HMIs, pid heat controllers, etc) our electrical team always goes for bleeding edge whiz-bang modules that you need a laptop and networking degree to do basic troubleshooting. As opposed to traditional PLCs and whatnot, drives me crazy. Our older equipment will last for decades because “Johnny from maintenance” can easily diagnose with a basic multimeter. Newer equipment becomes scrap when a smartmotor starts to flake out and they can’t trouble shoot it, and can’t replace it because they don’t have the software to program it or a copy of the program itself. </end rant>

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  • bradfordmiller
    bradfordmiller 1 month ago

    So your detailed question doesn't really match the headline. Speaking to that, I generally choose to explore something I haven't done before, if it is an important part of what I'm trying to do. If it isn't I generally reuse something I've already done or go online to see how someone else did it.

    In the instant case you're asking about, it's not something important to the product/project, just a debug tool, so I do the simplest thing: LED and a resistor. When I need something more useful than a few bits, I build a virtual front panel.

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