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  • Author Author: mcb1
  • Date Created: 1 Nov 2017 8:42 AM Date Created
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mcb1
mcb1
1 Nov 2017

Jumper Leads

All of my vehicles have a set of jumper leads, for that day when you accidently leave the lights on, or someone else that needs a bit of spare energy.

The leads are usually purchased from the local retailer "where everyone gets a bargin" and are less than $20 and in a bag so that they keep the car clean.

 

I'm well aware that the insulation looks like it's designed for 1,000,00 volts, but bigger size always means better ... right image

I know they aren't high quality but the other day I found out they were a little high in the resistance department.

 

 

 

Low Battery

I have a vehicle that gets very little use over the month.

It's an older 4WD that we have for winter sports, and towing the trailer or caravan.

 

Because of the age, when we purchased it there was no remote door opening, so I added one.

This unit doubles as an alarm, and well it really needs to go on a diet.

 

The unit is small enough, but the current consumption is bit high, and after a few weeks the battery is too low to start it.

 

Out came the jumper leads, a spare battery and ..... well suffice to say it wasn't going to happen.

At first I thought it was the battery, so I grabbed another, and same again.

 

 

 

I was a bit puzzled as I knew both batteries had plenty of charge, but despite a few minutes of trying, it wasn't going to start.

I know that these cheap jumper leads have more insulation than wire, but I wasn't ready for the quite warm clips at each end of the leads.

 

 

 

 

High Resistance

We've discussed how the current through a resistor results in a voltage.

Voltage x Current equals Watts, which produces heat across the resistance, so for the clips to get hot, there had to be resistance.

 

I checked the grip end was making good contact and a bit more checking showed the heat was closer to the junction of the cable.

 

The photo shows why there was a high resistance

 

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Rather than properly crimping the wire, they have simply folded it underneath and crimped the insulation, and hoped that the wire makes contact.

 

 

 

 

Solution

The first job was to extract the wire from the clip.

A bit of prising and a pair of pliers helped open up the bent parts.

 

 

I measured the wire as 4mm diameter, and found some crimp lugs that the wire would fit into.

 

My smaller crimp tool is the old style where it forces a piece into the lug, while the newer version are hexagonal and squeeze the whole lug.

I decided that two punches would be the idea and regardless it was better than the original method.

The alternative is soldering, but this creates a hard transistion point, and when heated the joint can change and then the resistance increases.

 

 

After they were crimped, a quick brush with a wire brush made sure that any oxidation on the mating surface was removed.

 

I had to drill a 5mm hole in each clip, and then a 5mm screw, washer, lock washer and nut completed the task of fastening the lug to the clip.

 

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This shows how little wire there is in the cable, and the marks from the origianl crimp method.

 

 

 

Testing

At this stage the battery is still charged, so there is no need to use these.

I did think of some other methods to prove the difference, but we're talking milli-ohms at each end.

 

This raised a few questions about testing something that is designed for 100-200 Amps.

 

I had thought of a load, and passing current through them.

Rather than try to measure the current, it would be better to measure the voltage across the load, and the leads.

 

Trying to compare it before and after, relies on being able to duplicate the connection of the clip to the source and load.

Since these are not bolted, then duplicating it is difficult.

 

 

 

So there were some technical challenges to both methods of proving the effectiveness of the fix.

Since I hadn't tested them prior to the fix, the final testing would need to be to measure the resistance.

 

In the end I have decided that my fix has to better than it was before, and when I next have a flat battery, I'll check how well they work.

 

 

 

 

I'm interested in hearing some ideas of how you might test these, given that they are not high quality, and we are trying to prove the termination issue has been fixed.

 

 

Cheers

Mark

 

 

 

 

 

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  • rsc
    rsc over 7 years ago +3
    Hi Mark, The best wire I've found for jumper cables is from an arc-welding supplier. The more strands, the more flexible it will be. 00-1 AWG works well. I've had many of the cheap cables melt or catch…
  • DAB
    DAB over 7 years ago +3
    Nice post. It makes you wonder what passes for quality control at some places. Crimping insulation has to be an epic fail on somebodies part. DAB
  • three-phase
    three-phase over 7 years ago +3
    Great post Mark Fairly standard crimping technique adopted by jump lead manufacturers as the croc clip is too big for the cable when it is stripped so they do what you have found, tuck it under the complete…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 6 years ago in reply to neuromodulator

    neuromodulator

    As others suggest 4 wire should be good to measure resistance. But I would like to add that to measure high currents you can do it without robbing a bank through shunt resistors. One that supports a max of 200 A costs 8 usd on ebay... at max current it just drops 75mV, which is pretty insignificant.

    It seems that part of this conversation belongs in shabaz post on 4 wire leads for measuring resistance.

    However you're right for this story, but the current drawn during cranking can be much higher than 200A, so the true test is when it's flat again.

     

    I hope it has been helpful, and saved someone money.

     

    Cheers

    Mark

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    neuromodulator over 6 years ago

    As others suggest 4 wire should be good to measure resistance. But I would like to add that to measure high currents you can do it without robbing a bank through shunt resistors. One that supports a max of 200 A costs 8 usd on ebay... at max current it just drops 75mV, which is pretty insignificant.

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    jennifert over 6 years ago

    Quite helpful piece of writing, thanks for the post.

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  • three-phase
    three-phase over 7 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Or wouldn't it be a good idea for element14 to organise a road test for a Flir One???

     

    Ideal for your blog I would say

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    mcb1 over 7 years ago

    While I was responding here, I thought I'd pass on some information regarding modern batteries.

     

    The newer breed battery is "calcium" which I presume means the chemical makeup is different.

    They can remain in a charged state and don't loose any charge for nearly a year, but the recharging when flat is much different.

    These batteries require a special charger that pulses the voltage to over 15 volts during the charging process.

     

    Jumper starting a car with a seriously flat battery and then driving around charging it is unlikely to charge it as the alternator voltage is not high enough.

    Once you stop it's likely it will be the same as before.

     

    Because these are just about the only battery you can buy, when you add them into older cars with regulators set at 13.6v, they don't seem to last.

    So in reality the alternator or regulator needs to be changed as well.

     

     

    We had a discussion here when shabaz was having issues with his battery.

    Keysight U1282A Vehicle/Automotive and Industrial Applications

     

    This comment shows the voltage

    https://www.element14.com/community/community/applications/industrial-automation-space/blog/2016/05/16/keysight-u1282a-v…

     

     

     

     

    So just be warned that jumper starting the car might get it going, but I'd be heading home or to the Auto Electrician .....

     

     

    Mark

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