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Observations on point accumulation by the top 60 Element 14 members

Instructorman
Instructorman
7 Nov 2016

Observations on point accumulation by the top 60 members in Element 14

Back in October of 2015 Element 14 announced its first Hertz level member, who, at the time, was mcb1.  The Hertz level starts at 100,000 points, which in the Element14 community is really a lot of points.  Accumulating that many points is no easy feat, as I will illustrate in this blog.

On the day I read the announcement, just over a year ago, I checked my point accumulation and found I had 7051 points, placing me 61st in line to the throne.  I wondered about how the community in general was doing in terms of point accumulation because point accumulation can be a good proxy indication of member participation.

 

Point accumulation is not 100% correlated with member participation.  A strong case supporting this assertion can be found in the very prolific and highly participatory benheck  who is not among the top 60 members ranked in the chart below. From April 2016 to October 2016 Ben slipped from 64th to 81st position. Clearly, this does not mean Ben has been participating less over the last year, it means that he has been concentrating on making valuable contributions through The Ben Heck Show.  I think it is quite possible that Ben's contribution to the community through The Ben Heck Show has inspired many members to increase their participation, helping them move up the ranking scale.

 

Nevertheless, observing point accumulation should provide the temperature of member activity and plotting member activity over time should provide insight into the climate of the community.  With this hypothesis in mind I started a spreadsheet to record the point accumulation of the top 60 members in the community longitudinally, or, over time.  I could have selected the first 100, or the top 50, but because I was sitting just on the other side of 60 I arbitrarily decided to track the top 60 members.  I have maintained the spreadsheet for the last year and would like to share the chart below with the community because I believe other members and element14 administrators might find it interesting.

 

The process I used to gather data for the spreadsheet is pretty straightforward, if perhaps a little cumbersome.  It went like this:

  1. Log into my E14 account
  2. Select Reputation and Points from the drop down menu next to my name.
  3. Select Ranking from the Activities list on the left side of the screen. Doing this brings up a screen that shows your point accumulation and rank in the middle of a field, with the 5 members ranked above you and the 5 members ranked  below you arranged in a column.
  4. Record point accumulation and rank for everyone shown on the screen in the spreadsheet.
  5. Select the member at the top of the screen.
  6. From the More drop down menu, select Reputation
  7. From the Activity list, select Ranking.  This will produce a screen of ranking information with the selected member placed in the middle of the field. Repeat from step 4 until the rank of the member at the top of the list equals one.

 

For reference here is a link to the point accumulation rules and the levels currently established by element14.

 

The chart below illustrates the progress in point accumulation for the top 60 members of the element 14 community from October 27, 2015 to October 27, 2016.

The vertical axis represents the number of points accumulated, obtained via the method described above.  The horizontal axis represents member ranking from 1 to 60,  The third axis, the depth axis, contains a series of snapshots taken through the year, each one labelled with the date the snapshot was taken.

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Several observations can be made from this chart.

 

First, the vertical axis is pretty much asymptotic around the top point accumulator. There isn't enough data on the horizontal axis to confirm this, but it looks like the horizontal axis is pretty much asymptotic to member rank as the rank number increases above 50 or so. I explored a bit well beyond the 60th ranked member to see what the chart would look like out there.  Now I couldn't determine exactly how many members there are in the Element14 community because odd things happen when member rank numbers get into 5 and 6 digit territory.  For example, I know of three members that have less than 100 points accumulated.  These members have ranking numbers ranging from around 36,000th to around 228,000th.  So there are probably at least 228,000 members in the database. However, the ranking system breaks down at high rank numbers because multiple members have the same rank position if they have the same low point accumulation number. For example, at least 6 members share rank position 31,851.

 

From examination of the data set gathered over a year, I believe I see a very large number of inactive, or barely active members, and a small clutch of moderately to highly active members, likely under 200 in total. I may be wrong.  The data set I gathered is incomplete, so I am making inferences and my conclusions are certainly open to debate. The chart does not show this well, but the raw data shows that some members shoot up through the ranks over a relatively short period of time, then stop advancing.  Others have steady point accumulation over time, using various participation strategies, advancing up the rank at various paces.  None of the members on the chart have activity levels as frenetic as the levels achieved by the top three members.

 

As can be seen from the chart, the top three members are very active.  The number 1 position has advanced by 44,598 points in the one year time span displayed in the chart.  Ownership of the top member position, by the way, has changed hands several times among the top three.

 

Here is a question:  If Element14, as a community, has a desire to increase awareness and participation in electronics/computing as a hobby or as a career, should more be done to encourage participation among the many thousands of inactive or barely active members?  Is this a topic of interest to the membership?

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  • DAB
    DAB over 9 years ago +5
    The chart has been very consistent ever since I joined back in 2011. You have a few people who consistently participate, others who chime in once in a while and a whole bunch of people who rarely if ever…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 9 years ago +4
    Instructorman Very interesting observations. Victor used to do some other analysing based on login frequency. He reached a similar conclusion about numbers of very active members. Many at the top of the…
  • fvan
    fvan over 9 years ago +4
    I remember collecting data in November last year. At the time, I collected the "last login" date of about 360.000 members. The result was that only about 50.000 members had logged in in the 6 months prior…
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  • DAB
    DAB over 9 years ago

    The chart has been very consistent ever since I joined back in 2011.

     

    You have a few people who consistently participate, others who chime in once in a while and a whole bunch of people who rarely if ever participate.

     

    These results are probably typical for any organization that includes engineers and technical makers.

     

    Most are introverts who feel uncomfortable dealing with other people.

     

    Some people can overcome this reticence when they need help with a problem, but then soon disappear.

     

    Then there are the regulars who stay here and blog, post, and try to encourage others.

     

    As the chart shows, these people are few, but luckily, we are not discouraged by others not participating.  We just keep waiting for that one additional participant that can see the fun we are having and becomes a regular participant.

     

    Is there a solution for getting more participation, I honestly do not see an easy one.

     

    You have to want to interact, and introverts do not normally want to.

     

    As they mature, they may develop into good interactive mentors, but it takes a while.

     

    All we can do is to keep posting interesting things in hope of enticing more people to read and then participate.

     

    DAB

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    Instructorman over 9 years ago in reply to DAB

    Hi DAB,

     

    From your comment, and those from shabaz and mcb1, I am getting an impression that the top contributing members acknowledge the low level of participation from the majority of members and accept it as a manifestation of the nature of technically driven people.  As a polytechnic instructor with 30 years experience in electronics education, I have had many encounters with bright but introverted students, so I can see how this perception would emerge.

     

    However, as a counterpoint, I think E14 could do a better job of drawing in more well qualified and eager participants.  The three members I know that have accumulated less than 100 points have interesting backgrounds with plenty of value to offer the community.  One is a very talented and experienced electronics engineering technologist that loves to solve thorny design challenges and has done so for me several times.  Another is a recent masters engineering graduate that is designing ultra high speed optical switches and loves to talk about technical advances.  The third is a very active leader in the maker community and also an enthusiast that loves to share and help others discover technology.  None of these three individuals have accumulated more that 100 points because, I believe, the community is structured in a way that de-incentivizes participation from people like them.

     

    Mark

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    DAB over 9 years ago in reply to Instructorman

    I agree, but what can be done to entice them to expand their participation?

     

    I know a lot of talented people who just want to be left alone to do their own projects.

     

    I fully understand, but they have so much they could share.  Only they can decide to do so.

     

    DAB

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    Instructorman over 9 years ago in reply to DAB

    Maybe a survey that asks members what drew them to join E14 and what either keeps them involved, or prevents them from remaining involved.  Analysis of responses to a survey like that could provide insight into how to structure member resources in a way the keeps involvement high.

     

    If it turns out many are looking for quick answers to homework problems as suggested by mcb1, and nothing more, then those members will probably remain in the long tail of non-active participants.

    Some will wish to remain on the sidelines, not posting in discussions or blogs, but nevertheless, draw benefit from the open resources available on the site.  That seems to me to be a reasonable way to make use of E14, but does that sort of user actually need to be a member?  There are plenty of websites where casual browsing of content is allowed without signing up and opening an account.

     

    Element14 is the only on-line community in which I participate.  I find the active members in the E14 community to be intelligent and civilized, traits I suspect are not well represented in many other on-line communities based on anecdotes and media reports. While the observations drawn from the participation chart I posted in my blog may indicate the natural state of affairs for this community, I suspect there are members whose participation could be boosted if the right incentives were set up.  Just wanted to see if there was interest in confirming or denying that suspicion.

     

    Mark A

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    ajens23 over 9 years ago in reply to Instructorman

    Yes, but as one who has never liked writing, talking is easy, having to frame words into a coherent and enlightening discussion is much harder.

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    ajens23 over 9 years ago in reply to Instructorman

    Yes, but as one who has never liked writing, talking is easy, having to frame words into a coherent and enlightening discussion is much harder.

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