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Arduino and Transistors Question - RE: School Musical Production

wallarug
wallarug over 11 years ago

One of the directors has asked me to create a special backdrop for our college musical. This particular backdrop has a particular design (see below) that includes LED strip lighting to give the feel of a 1920s casino sign – similar to what is seen today in Las Vegas.

I  have done up a detailed design for this sign, based off the rough sketch given to me by the director and the dimensions of the backdrop.  On this diagram, the arrangement of the LED strip lighting can be seen.

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The LED Strip lighting that will be bought for this project will be sourced from Jaycar – “Low Cost 5m Flexible Adhesive LED Strip Light – Warm White” (ZD0577).  According to the specifications off Jaycar’s website, these LED lights need 1.1 Amps per metre @ 12 volts.  This means that the longest segments of lights need 1.1 * 1.5 = 1.65 Amps of power (rounded up by 20% for safety: 2.0 Amps @ 12 volts).

 

This would not be an issue if I was just turning these LED Strips on and off with mains power BUT I want to control these LEDs via an Arduino, so that they can do fancy things like flash and chase.  That means that I would need a circuit to control these lights with an Arduino so that everything remains safe and does not blow up.

I have come up with this circuit (below) using a couple of NPN transistors and two power supplies.  In the diagram below, I am aware that the transistor pinouts are EBC.  The ones I am going to buy have a pinout of BCE.

 

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The only problem with this is that I have very little understanding of transistor circuits.  What this circuit has to be able to do is:

  • Using the smallest amount of current from the Arduino (at 5 volts) or a Raspberry Pi (3v3 volts), turn on the circuit to allow the 12 volts that powers the LED strip lighting to flow.

 

I was thinking of using either TIP41C NPN Transistors (in a darlington Array) or TIP122 NPN transistors.

 

This circuit will be replicated 8 times over to accommodate for the number of LEDs I am controlling.

 

 

Can anyone help me:

  1. Design a circuit that will work 100% and will be safe (ie: low heat)
    1. This includes base resistance
  1. Confirm which transistors I should be using for this project.

 

Any help will be much appreciated.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago +1
    Sorry the one I suggested wont work, but this one should http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZK8821 10+ current rating and at 0.016ohms it should be good for your needs pdf here http://www.vishay…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752 +1
    John If you are referring to this It means that at a gate voltage of 1.6 typ, a current of 250uA will be flowing in the Drain. If you look here, you can see that from 3 to 3.3v will give you enough to…
  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 11 years ago +1
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  • wallarug
    0 wallarug over 11 years ago

    Thank you everyone for your feedback.

     

    It seems that the best option for this project is FETs (from the above feedback).  Douglas' schematic seems like the way to go except with only one LED strip in the circuit.

     

    1.  Can anyone suggest a suitable FET from Jaycar as this is where I will be sourcing all my materials?

     

    Just to clarify:

    i.  The circuit will power only ONE LED strip.  I will be having 7 of the same circuit on a PCB to accommodate 7 LED strips.

    ii.  Logic voltage will be 5 volts (from arduino)

    iii. Circuit voltage will be 12 volts from an external power source.

     

    Thanks again guys for all the help!

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    Looks like the  choice isnt that great at least at the UK Jaycar you may consider going for the low power 2n7000 FET on the output of the Logic then have it switch the Gate of the bigger FETS they have using the available 12V supply.

     

    The few IRF transistors are more suited to 5V minimum........

    Doh .....Saw Arduino...

    IRF540 should be OK in that case

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I'd try and get the part specified by Douglas if you could BTW as this looks like an Excellent part.

    Otherwise the '540 again if you are stuck with Jaycar only

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    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I think the 2N7000 is ruled out.  --> maximum current of 2 Amps drain.

     

    The IRF540N (which Jaycar AU supply) seems like a contender with maximum drain current of 33 Amps.

     

    All I really want to know is:

    1. Will I be able to use  xxxxxx part without damaging the lights or Controller (Arduino) and with low heat?

    2. How to use the FET in a circuit correctly --> which has partly been answered by Douglas.  From my own research I think I might need a resistor from the Arduino to the Gate of the FET.

    3.  How much current will come out of the Arduino due to the FET controlling the 2 Amp load ?

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    The 2n7000 was merely a throw away to drive the gate of a bigger FET not for driving the LOAD directly

    1) Most probably use a bit of aluminum strip as a heat sink  for each of the FETs if you want to be safe

    2) Yep, Douglas is right ...this stuff is that easy!! The Gate of the FET is high impedance any way no real need for a resistor

    3)Bugger all image !! The FET is doing all the heavy lifting and all you need to do is keep the Gate On

     

    4) Consider the 2n7000 to drive the IRF540 then you can operate the gateof the '540 from say 12V and really turn the gate hard on, lowering the Rds(on) as much as possible decreasing the dissipation.

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    The 2n7000 was merely a throw away to drive the gate of a bigger FET not for driving the LOAD directly

    1) Most probably use a bit of aluminum strip as a heat sink  for each of the FETs if you want to be safe

    2) Yep, Douglas is right ...this stuff is that easy!! The Gate of the FET is high impedance any way no real need for a resistor

    3)Bugger all image !! The FET is doing all the heavy lifting and all you need to do is keep the Gate On

     

    4) Consider the 2n7000 to drive the IRF540 then you can operate the gateof the '540 from say 12V and really turn the gate hard on, lowering the Rds(on) as much as possible decreasing the dissipation.

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    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    4)  Sounds good! image

     

     

    New Question:

    5)  What if I want to PWM the FETs ?  for some cool fade effects? - Is that possible to do safely?

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    5) Switch away, the LEDs are not overly complicated loads in that respect and they don't care about been switched off and on you could do it 1000's of times a second if you fancied. I think the maximum rate a Joe average LED can be switched is of the order of 10MHZ no doubt these big LEDs will be less but that's not a problem.

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    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I was more worried about the FETs to be honest.

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    If this was a massively inductive or capacitive load this might of been an issue but in this case you are good to operate that PWM at any reasonable frequency you can achieve with the Arduino

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  • wallarug
    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Sweet.  Thanks for all the help.

     

    I think this is what I am going to go with:

    Arduino (5V) to 2N7000 (driving 12V) to IRF540N which will switch the LEDs on.

     

    I will get back to you if I need any further help.

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  • mcb1
    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    any way no real need for a resistor

    IMO you should add a resistor and a diode up to the 5v, at the Arduino end.

    I've seen fets destroyed and its often the Drain to Gate that goes, dumping the load voltage (12v in this case) up the gate.

     

    However since this is a short use device the risk is minimal.

     

    mark

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    One thing to note here with the resistor and diode Mark is that the non logic level FETs would not fully turn on or take longer to do so which I believe is what Doug is alluding to when he is talking about the FET heating up during PWM. I figured that his device wasn't out for the long term thus KISS was the order of the day. If Jaycar is the source then I would be more than happy to use a few of those FETs that were specified.

    For the type of application specified I don't see any reason to guild the Lilly. The PWM frequency is likely to be less than a few KHZ no need for more to achieve a good dimming effect. Wallarug should take a few photos and link them on his Blog when he completes the project be nice to see a simple project all nicely executed !

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Doug and John

    Yes I agree that too high a resistance will cause problems.

    I'd have suggested a 220 or 270 ohm.

     

    Many years ago I used a 555 to drive a 2N3055 directly in a DC dimming cct.

    I used a capacitor across the resistor to improve the response and it was very happy dimming a 12v 50W lamp with no heatsink.

     

    There are fet driver chips available (I've used them directly to control a motor) but since the OP want to use Jaycar, then this isn't an option.

     

    It would be a good post to add, as I'm sure others will want to emulate it.

    Mark

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  • wallarug
    0 wallarug over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    I shall make sure that I do a piece on this on my E14 Blog.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    0 Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    We look forward to it, thanks

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