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Arduino and Transistors Question - RE: School Musical Production

wallarug
wallarug over 11 years ago

One of the directors has asked me to create a special backdrop for our college musical. This particular backdrop has a particular design (see below) that includes LED strip lighting to give the feel of a 1920s casino sign – similar to what is seen today in Las Vegas.

I  have done up a detailed design for this sign, based off the rough sketch given to me by the director and the dimensions of the backdrop.  On this diagram, the arrangement of the LED strip lighting can be seen.

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The LED Strip lighting that will be bought for this project will be sourced from Jaycar – “Low Cost 5m Flexible Adhesive LED Strip Light – Warm White” (ZD0577).  According to the specifications off Jaycar’s website, these LED lights need 1.1 Amps per metre @ 12 volts.  This means that the longest segments of lights need 1.1 * 1.5 = 1.65 Amps of power (rounded up by 20% for safety: 2.0 Amps @ 12 volts).

 

This would not be an issue if I was just turning these LED Strips on and off with mains power BUT I want to control these LEDs via an Arduino, so that they can do fancy things like flash and chase.  That means that I would need a circuit to control these lights with an Arduino so that everything remains safe and does not blow up.

I have come up with this circuit (below) using a couple of NPN transistors and two power supplies.  In the diagram below, I am aware that the transistor pinouts are EBC.  The ones I am going to buy have a pinout of BCE.

 

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The only problem with this is that I have very little understanding of transistor circuits.  What this circuit has to be able to do is:

  • Using the smallest amount of current from the Arduino (at 5 volts) or a Raspberry Pi (3v3 volts), turn on the circuit to allow the 12 volts that powers the LED strip lighting to flow.

 

I was thinking of using either TIP41C NPN Transistors (in a darlington Array) or TIP122 NPN transistors.

 

This circuit will be replicated 8 times over to accommodate for the number of LEDs I am controlling.

 

 

Can anyone help me:

  1. Design a circuit that will work 100% and will be safe (ie: low heat)
    1. This includes base resistance
  1. Confirm which transistors I should be using for this project.

 

Any help will be much appreciated.

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  • Robert Peter Oakes
    Robert Peter Oakes over 11 years ago +1
    Sorry the one I suggested wont work, but this one should http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=ZK8821 10+ current rating and at 0.016ohms it should be good for your needs pdf here http://www.vishay…
  • mcb1
    mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to jw0752 +1
    John If you are referring to this It means that at a gate voltage of 1.6 typ, a current of 250uA will be flowing in the Drain. If you look here, you can see that from 3 to 3.3v will give you enough to…
  • D_Hersey
    D_Hersey over 11 years ago +1
    Solenoid Whapper:
  • dougw
    0 dougw over 11 years ago in reply to wallarug

    Here are a couple of suggestions:

    1) Replace the PN100 with an N channel FET - preferably with a logic level threshold...

    2) Program the 2 states of the CPU "output" pin as follows:

    1. Output ON (LED Off) - configure the pin as an input with internal pull-up resistor - this will turn the NPN transistor on without stressing the CPU pin
    2. Output OFF (LED On) - configure the pin as an output that is always set low (a riskier solution is to leave the pin as an input but with no internal pull-up)
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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to dougw

    wallrug

    I cannot support the suggestion of making it an input, because you can't drive it.

     

    I would remove the two pin jumper you have and insert one end of the resistor in its place. Cut the wire and attach the cut end to the other end of the resistor.

    The second option is add it underneath and use the unused side of the board ie row f - j.

     

    mark

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    0 dougw over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    I fail to understand why "you can't drive it" - please elaborate.

    If the hardware is left as-is and the "drive" pin is simply programmed as an input instead of an output, then:

    • when digitalWrite(pin, HIGH) is executed the pin gets an internal pull-up resistor which turns on the PN100 - this command is already in the code and does not need to change
    • when digitalWrite(pin, LOW) is executed the pull-up resistor is removed and the pin is "floating" - this does not supply enough current to the PN100 to turn it on, so it turns off.  - this command is also already in the code and does not need to change.

    Nothing in the code or hardware needs to change except one word to change the pin configuration statement from output to input:

    pinMode(pin, INPUT)

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to dougw

    Douglas

    You can't PWM the pin as wallrug wanted to.

     

    Fix the problem (lack of resistor) rather than add complications. ie KISS

    There are two easy options, which will both work, and allow the code and hardware to perform properly, and with a degree of protection.

     

    Mark

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    0 D_Hersey over 11 years ago

    Solenoid
    Whapper:

     

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to D_Hersey

    Don

    I agree using an opto-coupler is a much better method to get isolation.

    Its also very easy to prove/test by substituting a led in its place.

     

     

    Mark

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  • Problemchild
    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Yep fundamentally isolated from the Arduino, we should of been able to test the transsister version easily as well though Mark,it's all getting over complicated  for switching a few LEDs

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    0 mcb1 over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    it's all getting over complicated  for switching a few LEDs

     

    I think what wallrug has done is produce something that suits other uses.

    It is inevitable that someone will want to add a second string/ longer string, so he produced a rugged interface.

     

    There has been some learning along the way, so not all is lost.

    The component cost is relatively low, for the capacity of the interface.

     

    I did have a look around at some commercial units, and there isn't really anything offered.

    I have previously seen a shield, and picaxe have something, but it surprises me that our Asian friends don't have an isolated 4 FET driver board.

     

    Mark

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to mcb1

    True the whole bunch of fets, transistors and optoisolators probably don't come up to £2.

    The learning experience is worth much much more. I was a little concerned that we werent able to test the last NPN transistor build but the opto is the gold standard solution anyway!

     

    I think the nearest we get to an "Asian" solution are those opto isolated relay boards. not sure if they are Opto -Transistor -Relay or just Opto -Relay. Either way you cant do PWM for fast switching with that imageimage

     

    Good luck as stated before

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    0 Problemchild over 11 years ago in reply to Problemchild

    Speak of the devil here's something quite close, and in the UK too!

     

    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Double-high-power-motor-driver-4A-24V-Arduino-Raspberry-/281223955355?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item417a41039b

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