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Olimex A10S/A20-OLinuXino boards quite BBB-like

morgaine
morgaine over 12 years ago

I've gathered together some pieces of information on Olimex's latest Cortex-A* board range, which I think is an interesting one.

 

Allwinner's new A20 device has almost the same pinout as their old A10, so Olimex developed an A20 board very quickly by upgrading an earlier A10-based prototype with the new SoC.  They already had a different OLinuXino board based on the lower-cost A10S in early production, so the future A20 board is being positioned as a more capable version of this product.

 

This pair of boards have the product names A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO, and Olimex's price list shows that each of these will also be available with 4GB of NAND flash on board, respectively named as A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB.    Summary of the range:

 

 

SoCCoresARM Core
RAMProduct ModelPriceFeatures
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO45 euro
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB55 euroFlash
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO55 euroSATA
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB65 euroFlash, SATA

 

 

Note that there is more symmetry in the  product naming  than in the actual board layouts, as A10S and A20 boards are quite different to reflect the differences in their SoCs.

 

The NAND-less A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO [summary pdf] is already listed at Farnell UK, delivery projected for end of July, and development work on the A20-OLinuXino-MICRO seems to be progressing well.

 

The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB is pretty similar to the BeagleBone Black (BBB) in several ways.  The A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU just like the BBB's TI AM3359, and both are clocked at the same speed of 1GHz.  Both provide native Ethernet, not over USB.  Both boards offer 512MB of RAM.  Likewise both feature on-board embedded flash as well as sockets for external cards, although the OLinuXino has double the flash and two different card sockets.  Both provide HDMI for video output (the A10S's GPU is a MALI-400), although the OLinuXino also provides analogue audio input and output sockets.  Both provide roughly the same kind of expansion connector concept, ie. a connector on each of the opposing long edges of the board.  As usual on Olimex boards, the OLinuXino also provides a UEXT connector which allows Olimex's large range of expansion modules to be attached.

 

The above isn't intended to portray the A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB as "better" despite it having several extra features.  The BBB is quite a lot cheaper and provides stackable capes and the AM335x's exceptional PRUs, so it'll always be "horses for courses" between the two.  I do think that the two boards are close enough in features to be considered ballpark-similar.

 

The A20-OLinuXino-MICRO and -4GB version will be quite a significant step up from their A10S-based siblings.  The CPU is a dual-core Cortex-A7 (see the A20 and Allwinner family brief pdf and short A20 datasheet for more details), RAM is doubled to 1GB of DDR3, video output is through both HDMI and VGA, and SATA data and power connectors are provided.  For 55 to 65 Euro, I expect that Olimex are going to have a serious hit on their hands.

 

And the entire OLinuXino range is both open hardware and open software, give or take Allwinner's somewhat lacklustre understanding of the concept of documentation.  TI is way ahead on quality of open documentation for the BBB, except for its GPU which remains closed.  Apparently the open source Lima driver for the OLinuXino's MALI-400 is better than the Allwinner binary blob anyway, so at least for graphics support it might not matter much. image

 

Interesting times ahead.  I'm certainly keeping an eye open on Olimex, they're a very competent and extremely productive outfit.  Progress on their OLinuXino boards and other newsworthy developments are typically announced on their blog.

 

Morgaine.

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  • fustini
    fustini over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    That's a good question about the A9. I wonder if there will be or is a Sitara SoC part with that for which a similar low-cost board could be made (BeagleBone Graphene - early 2014? ). I'll see Jason in…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO isn't in the exceptionally low Raspberry Pi and BBB price niche, but it may be worth pointing out that this board has Raspberry Pi-like graphics and media capability (unlike the…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    Olimex has blogged instructions on building Linux for A10S from scratch . Since the A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU like the BBB, these instructions and the linux-sunxi Github repositories to which they refer…
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  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago

    There's a new addition to Olimex's Allwinner-based line of OLinuXinos!  A10-OLinuXino-LIME (sneak preview)

     

    Basic specs:

    Olimex writes (my highlighting in bold):

     

        A10, Cortex-A8, 1Ghz, NEON, VPU, GPU
        DDR3 512MB
        microSD card
        optional 4GB NAND Flash
        SATA + power supply
        HDMI 1080p
        USB-OTG
        Ethernet 100Mbit
        2x USB hosts
        Lipo battery managment and connector
        200 GPIOs on 0.05# connectors
        PWR jack +5V only

     

    Nice enough (especially the SATA support which has been somewhat rare), but here's the really juicy part:

     

    The price? it will be nice surprise! Our target is to get as close as we can to one other popular fruit computer image but to offer additionally SATA and LiPo as UPS backup (USB will keep working when on LiPo battery power supply)

     

    It sounds like a cat is about to spring among the pigeons ... image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    There's a new addition to Olimex's Allwinner-based line of OLinuXinos!  A10-OLinuXino-LIME (sneak preview)

    Sounds very nice. Could also be very interesting if they manage a version of it with an A20.  Not that it'll really matter, if they get it down to that price range it'll find lots of uses.  Even at BBB price, sata and what would appear to be better 1080p support is bound to make it interesting to a wide range of people.

     

    The usual challenge for the Olimex stuff is availability, no sign of their A20 stuff from e14 yet and the a10s/a13 ones only seem to have limited quantities available relatively recently after months and months of waiting.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    There's a new addition to Olimex's Allwinner-based line of OLinuXinos!  A10-OLinuXino-LIME (sneak preview)

    Sounds very nice. Could also be very interesting if they manage a version of it with an A20.  Not that it'll really matter, if they get it down to that price range it'll find lots of uses.  Even at BBB price, sata and what would appear to be better 1080p support is bound to make it interesting to a wide range of people.

     

    The usual challenge for the Olimex stuff is availability, no sign of their A20 stuff from e14 yet and the a10s/a13 ones only seem to have limited quantities available relatively recently after months and months of waiting.

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Yes, I agree on both points.

     

    I wonder how the Farnell group or its individual companies actually decide on which products to stock and sell.  Does customer input have any effect?

     

    Presumably requests from high-volume customers  would influence their buyers, but at enthusiast-level volumes, is there any point in expressing an interest in a product that is not currently listed?

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    I wonder how the Farnell group or its individual companies actually decide on which products to stock and sell.  Does customer input have any effect?

     

    Presumably requests from high-volume customers  would influence their buyers, but at enthusiast-level volumes, is there any point in expressing an interest in a product that is not currently listed?

    I suspect customer input in these forums has little effect.  There has been several instances where interest in things like the Wandboard or Cubieboard have fallen on deaf ears.

     

    I've been hoping that as they already stock a wide range of Olimex products they'll keep picking up the new ones, but it seems to be very slow progress.

     

    When you look through the dev boards category that includes the SBC's over on uk.farnell.com, there's things ranging from a few pounds to several thousands, generally with low quantities. You'll probably even wonder if a lot of them will ever sell.  Sort the list by stock levels and look at the first page, some predictable ones like RPi and Arduino, but also a few that you end up wondering if they can ever sell 900 of them.  So I suspect that an expression of interest from a handful of people here doesn't go so far even if you assume they have someone hunting through the forums looking for things we're asking about.

     

    As an example, there's 18000+ RPi cameras in stock today, but you're still unable to buy spare 15 way FFC cables (or extended length ones)  despite a direct question on it over in the feedback groups a couple of months ago http://www.element14.com/community/message/82937#82937/l/re-replacement-rpi-camera-cables

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    mcb1 over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    you're still unable to buy spare 15 way FFC cables

    Yep

    I had to go to ModmyPi

     

    Really good service and of courseI brought a couple of other things while there.....

     

    Mark

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to mcb1

    Mark Beckett wrote:

     

    Really good service and of courseI brought a couple of other things while there.....

    Yeah, lost sale for e14, on both the cable and whatever else you bought. I really don't understand what's so hard about stocking a 2 quid cable, especially when it's such an easily damaged part and therefore an obvious thing to sell spares for.

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