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Olimex A10S/A20-OLinuXino boards quite BBB-like

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morgaine over 12 years ago

I've gathered together some pieces of information on Olimex's latest Cortex-A* board range, which I think is an interesting one.

 

Allwinner's new A20 device has almost the same pinout as their old A10, so Olimex developed an A20 board very quickly by upgrading an earlier A10-based prototype with the new SoC.  They already had a different OLinuXino board based on the lower-cost A10S in early production, so the future A20 board is being positioned as a more capable version of this product.

 

This pair of boards have the product names A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO, and Olimex's price list shows that each of these will also be available with 4GB of NAND flash on board, respectively named as A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB.    Summary of the range:

 

 

SoCCoresARM Core
RAMProduct ModelPriceFeatures
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO45 euro
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB55 euroFlash
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO55 euroSATA
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB65 euroFlash, SATA

 

 

Note that there is more symmetry in the  product naming  than in the actual board layouts, as A10S and A20 boards are quite different to reflect the differences in their SoCs.

 

The NAND-less A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO [summary pdf] is already listed at Farnell UK, delivery projected for end of July, and development work on the A20-OLinuXino-MICRO seems to be progressing well.

 

The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB is pretty similar to the BeagleBone Black (BBB) in several ways.  The A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU just like the BBB's TI AM3359, and both are clocked at the same speed of 1GHz.  Both provide native Ethernet, not over USB.  Both boards offer 512MB of RAM.  Likewise both feature on-board embedded flash as well as sockets for external cards, although the OLinuXino has double the flash and two different card sockets.  Both provide HDMI for video output (the A10S's GPU is a MALI-400), although the OLinuXino also provides analogue audio input and output sockets.  Both provide roughly the same kind of expansion connector concept, ie. a connector on each of the opposing long edges of the board.  As usual on Olimex boards, the OLinuXino also provides a UEXT connector which allows Olimex's large range of expansion modules to be attached.

 

The above isn't intended to portray the A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB as "better" despite it having several extra features.  The BBB is quite a lot cheaper and provides stackable capes and the AM335x's exceptional PRUs, so it'll always be "horses for courses" between the two.  I do think that the two boards are close enough in features to be considered ballpark-similar.

 

The A20-OLinuXino-MICRO and -4GB version will be quite a significant step up from their A10S-based siblings.  The CPU is a dual-core Cortex-A7 (see the A20 and Allwinner family brief pdf and short A20 datasheet for more details), RAM is doubled to 1GB of DDR3, video output is through both HDMI and VGA, and SATA data and power connectors are provided.  For 55 to 65 Euro, I expect that Olimex are going to have a serious hit on their hands.

 

And the entire OLinuXino range is both open hardware and open software, give or take Allwinner's somewhat lacklustre understanding of the concept of documentation.  TI is way ahead on quality of open documentation for the BBB, except for its GPU which remains closed.  Apparently the open source Lima driver for the OLinuXino's MALI-400 is better than the Allwinner binary blob anyway, so at least for graphics support it might not matter much. image

 

Interesting times ahead.  I'm certainly keeping an eye open on Olimex, they're a very competent and extremely productive outfit.  Progress on their OLinuXino boards and other newsworthy developments are typically announced on their blog.

 

Morgaine.

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  • fustini
    fustini over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    That's a good question about the A9. I wonder if there will be or is a Sitara SoC part with that for which a similar low-cost board could be made (BeagleBone Graphene - early 2014? ). I'll see Jason in…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO isn't in the exceptionally low Raspberry Pi and BBB price niche, but it may be worth pointing out that this board has Raspberry Pi-like graphics and media capability (unlike the…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    Olimex has blogged instructions on building Linux for A10S from scratch . Since the A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU like the BBB, these instructions and the linux-sunxi Github repositories to which they refer…
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  • fustini
    fustini over 12 years ago

    Very nice, I really like what Olimex is doing.  Hoping we'll get some of the more exciting OLinuXino's stocked soon in North America (I think Newark element14 only has iMX.233 last I checked; the Allwinner models are available via Farnell direct ship to US).

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to fustini

    Indeed Drew.  In particular, the SATA capability on the two A20 models is going to open up a whole new set of applications in the conventional "computing" sphere, as storage performance is so lacklustre with SD cards.  I expect them to be popular as lightweight Internet servers positioned slightly above BBB, aided also by their dual cores.

     

    These two A20 models are going to be competing at the low end with Sabre-Lite, Wandboard and Minnowboard, and low-end/low-price is a good niche to be in.  I expect that Olimex are going to be selling a lot of them, while those competitors hold the high ground with their gigabit Ethernet and Cortex-A9 or Atom processors but sell far fewer.

     

    PS. Summary table added to first post.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    the SATA capability on the two A20 models is going to open up a whole new set of applications

    The way I see things is that there's three distinct features that people want:

    1. GPU
    2. GPIO
    3. SATA

     

    While some uses are completely different, there's a fair amount of overlap - if you're doing XBMC then it'd be nice to have better storage than SD cards to keep your films on.

    So I tend to see the addition of SATA as being a plus point for all the other uses as well as a distinct feature. It makes all manner of other stuff so much easier.

     

    As such, I'll give any board with a SATA port a +1 on my list. With the A20 being a dual core it's even better.

     

    Do we know what speed the A20 boards will run at ?  I don't see anything obvious on that front on the Olimex page.

     

    I still think that 2Gb Wandboard Quad is going to be a hard one to beat though.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    These two A20 models are going to be competing at the low end with Sabre-Lite, Wandboard and Minnowboard, and low-end/low-price is a

    Minnowboard comming to a supplier near here soon-ish...  23195812319581

     

    Not entirely sure how a single-core atom will compete with a quad-core i.MX6, but it does appear to come with the requisite handful of GPIO's along with SPI, I2C & CAN.

    That it's x86 and should therefore take a standard desktop distro (not sure about windows, but don't see why not), has sata, Gigabit ethernet and two PCIe lanes will make it interesting to a whole segment that may not be comfortable dipping a toe in the Arm waters..

     

    Not sure how good or bad a GMA600 is, but being x86 and intel will mean that it'll have driver support for it's GPU.

     

    Default distro seems to be Angstrom though image  Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and get used to it image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    These two A20 models are going to be competing at the low end with Sabre-Lite, Wandboard and Minnowboard, and low-end/low-price is a

    Minnowboard comming to a supplier near here soon-ish...  23195812319581

     

    Not entirely sure how a single-core atom will compete with a quad-core i.MX6, but it does appear to come with the requisite handful of GPIO's along with SPI, I2C & CAN.

    That it's x86 and should therefore take a standard desktop distro (not sure about windows, but don't see why not), has sata, Gigabit ethernet and two PCIe lanes will make it interesting to a whole segment that may not be comfortable dipping a toe in the Arm waters..

     

    Not sure how good or bad a GMA600 is, but being x86 and intel will mean that it'll have driver support for it's GPU.

     

    Default distro seems to be Angstrom though image  Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and get used to it image

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