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Olimex A10S/A20-OLinuXino boards quite BBB-like

morgaine
morgaine over 12 years ago

I've gathered together some pieces of information on Olimex's latest Cortex-A* board range, which I think is an interesting one.

 

Allwinner's new A20 device has almost the same pinout as their old A10, so Olimex developed an A20 board very quickly by upgrading an earlier A10-based prototype with the new SoC.  They already had a different OLinuXino board based on the lower-cost A10S in early production, so the future A20 board is being positioned as a more capable version of this product.

 

This pair of boards have the product names A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO, and Olimex's price list shows that each of these will also be available with 4GB of NAND flash on board, respectively named as A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB and A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB.    Summary of the range:

 

 

SoCCoresARM Core
RAMProduct ModelPriceFeatures
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO45 euro
A10S1Cortex-A8512MBA10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB55 euroFlash
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO55 euroSATA
A202Cortex-A71GBA20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB65 euroFlash, SATA

 

 

Note that there is more symmetry in the  product naming  than in the actual board layouts, as A10S and A20 boards are quite different to reflect the differences in their SoCs.

 

The NAND-less A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO [summary pdf] is already listed at Farnell UK, delivery projected for end of July, and development work on the A20-OLinuXino-MICRO seems to be progressing well.

 

The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB is pretty similar to the BeagleBone Black (BBB) in several ways.  The A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU just like the BBB's TI AM3359, and both are clocked at the same speed of 1GHz.  Both provide native Ethernet, not over USB.  Both boards offer 512MB of RAM.  Likewise both feature on-board embedded flash as well as sockets for external cards, although the OLinuXino has double the flash and two different card sockets.  Both provide HDMI for video output (the A10S's GPU is a MALI-400), although the OLinuXino also provides analogue audio input and output sockets.  Both provide roughly the same kind of expansion connector concept, ie. a connector on each of the opposing long edges of the board.  As usual on Olimex boards, the OLinuXino also provides a UEXT connector which allows Olimex's large range of expansion modules to be attached.

 

The above isn't intended to portray the A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB as "better" despite it having several extra features.  The BBB is quite a lot cheaper and provides stackable capes and the AM335x's exceptional PRUs, so it'll always be "horses for courses" between the two.  I do think that the two boards are close enough in features to be considered ballpark-similar.

 

The A20-OLinuXino-MICRO and -4GB version will be quite a significant step up from their A10S-based siblings.  The CPU is a dual-core Cortex-A7 (see the A20 and Allwinner family brief pdf and short A20 datasheet for more details), RAM is doubled to 1GB of DDR3, video output is through both HDMI and VGA, and SATA data and power connectors are provided.  For 55 to 65 Euro, I expect that Olimex are going to have a serious hit on their hands.

 

And the entire OLinuXino range is both open hardware and open software, give or take Allwinner's somewhat lacklustre understanding of the concept of documentation.  TI is way ahead on quality of open documentation for the BBB, except for its GPU which remains closed.  Apparently the open source Lima driver for the OLinuXino's MALI-400 is better than the Allwinner binary blob anyway, so at least for graphics support it might not matter much. image

 

Interesting times ahead.  I'm certainly keeping an eye open on Olimex, they're a very competent and extremely productive outfit.  Progress on their OLinuXino boards and other newsworthy developments are typically announced on their blog.

 

Morgaine.

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  • fustini
    fustini over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine +2
    That's a good question about the A9. I wonder if there will be or is a Sitara SoC part with that for which a similar low-cost board could be made (BeagleBone Graphene - early 2014? ). I'll see Jason in…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    The A10S-OLinuXino-MICRO isn't in the exceptionally low Raspberry Pi and BBB price niche, but it may be worth pointing out that this board has Raspberry Pi-like graphics and media capability (unlike the…
  • morgaine
    morgaine over 12 years ago +1
    Olimex has blogged instructions on building Linux for A10S from scratch . Since the A10S has a Cortex-A8 CPU like the BBB, these instructions and the linux-sunxi Github repositories to which they refer…
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  • johnbeetem
    johnbeetem over 12 years ago

    Speaking of Allwinner A10/A20, Rhombus-Tech is back in the news with their EOMA-68 card.  Latest news is that they've got Debian 7.0 Wheezy running on the A10, and are planning to make an A20 version thanks to the compatible pinout.  I've always liked the EOMA-68 form factor, which uses the same 50 mil 68-pin connector as PCMCIA [*] cards.  There's a GNU/Linux laptop in the works called Vivaldi "Flying Squirrel" which used an EOMA-68 as its brains so that it's easy to upgrade to a new CPU instead of tossing the old laptop into Morgaine's collection image

     

    No idea when anybody is going to be able to buy any of this stuff.

     

    EOMA-68 A20 and mini-docking card: http://liliputing.com/2013/06/eoma-68-pc-on-a-card-goes-dual-core-supports-debian-linux-has-new-accessories-in-the-works.html

     

    Rhombus-Tech news including Debian 7.0 Wheezy and first samples of A10 EOMA-68: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/

     

    [*] PCMCIA = People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago

    Speaking of Allwinner A10/A20, Rhombus-Tech is back in the news with their EOMA-68 card.  Latest news is that they've got Debian 7.0 Wheezy running on the A10, and are planning to make an A20 version thanks to the compatible pinout.  I've always liked the EOMA-68 form factor, which uses the same 50 mil 68-pin connector as PCMCIA [*] cards.  There's a GNU/Linux laptop in the works called Vivaldi "Flying Squirrel" which used an EOMA-68 as its brains so that it's easy to upgrade to a new CPU instead of tossing the old laptop into Morgaine's collection image

     

    No idea when anybody is going to be able to buy any of this stuff.

     

    EOMA-68 A20 and mini-docking card: http://liliputing.com/2013/06/eoma-68-pc-on-a-card-goes-dual-core-supports-debian-linux-has-new-accessories-in-the-works.html

     

    Rhombus-Tech news including Debian 7.0 Wheezy and first samples of A10 EOMA-68: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/

     

    [*] PCMCIA = People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

     

    Rhombus-Tech is back in the news with their EOMA-68 card. 

    Unfortunately they're taking way too long to actually produce a working product. Until they can it's all just vapourware. Don't get me wrong, the RPi and many of the others could easily have gone the same way, but most of them seem to have jumped that last hurdle and actually got their product to market.

     

    As for EOMA-68, I think it's interesting that a lot of other devices are opting for the EDM format like the wandboard. Searching for EOMA-68 pretty much gets you Rhombus-Tech and nothing else and maybe some other un-realised ideas several pages down..

     

    How good, or bad, the technology is doesn't seem to matter. The competition have built the boards and sold them to people already, so the question becomes whether anyone will care about Rhombus & EOMA when they're a year late to every party and the tech has moved on to something better.

     

    I think we had a similar discussion about Rhombus way back last year, and sadly I can see us doing it again next year image

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

     

    Speaking of Allwinner A10/A20, Rhombus-Tech is back in the news with their EOMA-68 card.  Latest news is that they've got Debian 7.0 Wheezy running on the A10, and are planning to make an A20 version thanks to the compatible pinout.  I've always liked the EOMA-68 form factor, which uses the same 50 mil 68-pin connector as PCMCIA [*] cards.  There's a GNU/Linux laptop in the works called Vivaldi "Flying Squirrel" which used an EOMA-68 as its brains so that it's easy to upgrade to a new CPU instead of tossing the old laptop into Morgaine's collection image

     

    No idea when anybody is going to be able to buy any of this stuff.

     

    EOMA-68 A20 and mini-docking card: http://liliputing.com/2013/06/eoma-68-pc-on-a-card-goes-dual-core-supports-debian-linux-has-new-accessories-in-the-works.html

     

    Rhombus-Tech news including Debian 7.0 Wheezy and first samples of A10 EOMA-68: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/news/

     

    [*] PCMCIA = People Cannot Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.

    Update: the first batch of EOMA-68 cards with Allwinner A20 are going out to developers.

     

    Update 2: I found the link in the last sentence in this Slashdot article.  I normally don't link to Slashdot, since the comments usually have such poor signal/noise, but this time there are some very good, well-balanced comments about the advantages of EOMA-68.  I find this newsworthy.

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    At last!  We've been waiting a long time for that EOMA-68 project to bear fruit.  And it's good to see that the A20 is likely to become the basis of early commercial devices.  The A10 version may not even see the light of day because its younger sibling is so substantially better with little extra cost.

     

    Another good item of news:  looking at the BOM for the EOMA-68 Micro Engineering Board, I see it lists "CONN MAGJACK 1PORT 1000 BASE-T" for the magjack, so it's planned to support SoCs with gigabit Ethernet like the A20.

     

    I'm looking forward to this range appearing, although A20-OLinuXino is likely to beat them out the door and on price.

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    Have you seen any hint of a projected end-user price for an EOMA-68 module of any variety?  The "Pi niche" ballpark seems reachable in principle if based on a cheap-enough SoC, since BOM-wise the EOMA-68 module is somewhat similar to the highly integrated EDM module on the Wandboard.

     

    They're going to have a tough ride commercially if a usable combination of EOMA-68 module plus baseboard puts it beyond the ballpark of ARM boards with similar basic functionality.  I'm thinking of both A20-OLinuXino and Wandboard as competitors here.

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    johnbeetem over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    Have you seen any hint of a projected end-user price for an EOMA-68 module of any variety?  The "Pi niche" ballpark seems reachable in principle if based on a cheap-enough SoC, since BOM-wise the EOMA-68 module is somewhat similar to the highly integrated EDM module on the Wandboard.

     

    They're going to have a tough ride commercially if a usable combination of EOMA-68 module plus baseboard puts it beyond the ballpark of ARM boards with similar basic functionality.  I'm thinking of both A20-OLinuXino and Wandboard as competitors here.

    I haven't seen a price.  When I first read about EOMA-68 at RasPi, its creator lkcl seemed to think he could bring the price to less than RasPi, but that's awfully far-fetched IMO.  I looked at the BOM for the EOMA-68 engineering board and saw that the PCMCIA socket alone is US$10, which is 40% of the BOM image  But the arithmetic changes substantially with quantity, so we'll have to see.  It could take a long time to get out multiple EOMA-68 cards, and laptops and tablets and engineering boards to show that EOMA-68 a good way to go.  Personally, I'm quite impressed with lkcl's perseverence and the apparent quality of the results.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to morgaine

    Morgaine Dinova wrote:

     

    They're going to have a tough ride commercially if a usable combination of EOMA-68 module plus baseboard puts it beyond the ballpark of ARM boards with similar basic functionality.

    The Wandboard is just one of many things already using the EDM form factor which gives it some potential economies of scale that the EOMA-68 might not see.  Hard to tell though.  Biggest hurdle for EOMA today is that they still haven't brought a product to market. EDM has and there's a chance that could mean the market decides on a direction different from EOMA.

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

     

    Personally, I'm quite impressed with lkcl's perseverence and the apparent quality of the results.

    Definitely impressed with his perseverance...  I think that if they'd stop trying to do so many variations in parallel, pick just one, get it finished and into peoples hands they'd stand a much better chance of success. With the time it's taken so far, I'd not be surprised if they don't need to be designing i.MX10 and A150 versions just to keep up with what's current by the time they get to a real release.

    No matter what way you look at it, if they take too long the market will have moved on to something else. At which point whatever merits EOMA may have might not be relevant.

     

    I hate to always be the EOMA basher, and I likely wouldn't be if they'd just make that last push and get themselves across the finish line before I'm old and grey image

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

    I looked at the BOM for the EOMA-68 engineering board and saw that the PCMCIA socket alone is US$10, which is 40% of the BOM image

    Are they still talking about putting them in the welded metal cases common on pcmcia cards ?  can't imagine that'll help with the budget...

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    Former Member over 12 years ago in reply to johnbeetem

    John Beetem wrote:

     

    PCMCIA socket alone is US$10, which is 40% of the BOM image

    Just a last thought on pcmcia connectors. New laptops are going with Express Card and a different connector. Much like DDR2 being expensive now that DDR3 is the current thing, there has to be a danger that the 68 pin pcmcia socket demand will drop and it'll become the expensive piece as nobody wants to manufacture them.  It was obviously a good choice when there was another huge market driving volume which could keep the cost low, but is that still the case ? 

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    morgaine over 12 years ago in reply to Former Member

    selsinork wrote:

     

    No matter what way you look at it, if they take too long the market will have moved on to something else. At which point whatever merits EOMA may have might not be relevant.

     

    I hate to always be the EOMA basher, and I likely wouldn't be if they'd just make that last push and get themselves across the finish line before I'm old and grey image

     

    Heh.  Well, EOMA-68 is open hardware, and there's a little company we talk about here quite a lot that produces open hardware but has exactly the kind of productivity you're looking for, ie. quite remarkably speedy.  Olimex cloned Leaf Labs' open hardware Maple, so it's not impossible that they'll look at EOMA-68, say "Sure, why not", and a couple of months later they're in stock at Farnell ...

     

    Well, almost. image

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