CadSoft forums now available on element14

Matt Collinge wrote on Wed, 23 June 2010 13:46

Christy Zurcher - element14 Manager

Will you guys please stop doing this!?

Are logins really in such short supply at Farnell that each of you can't

have one, or are you too lazy to log in properly and "Matt Collinge" is

some sort of catch all acount?

This may work for you folks, but it's rather annoying for the rest of the

world.

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Hi Olin,

I'm not sure to what you are referring. I don't see any of my posts as coming through from Matt. When I look at the newsgroups using Outlook Express I see everything as "Christy Zurcher wrote:"...etc.

We are not using a shared login - our gateway should be passing through our names using our IDs from element14, just as it does in reverse, passing through your details to element14 when you post to the forums.

Is there a particular post where you are seeing this so I can investigate?

As mentioned, I use Outlook Express to view the newsgroups and  messages posted out from element14 appear to have a proper line-length when I view them there.

We want to make sure this works well for you guys who use the forums, so anything I can do to make the experience better/investigate/fix on our end I will surely try to do.

Thanks,

Christy

Christy Zurcher schrieb:

I'm not sure to what you are referring. I don't see any of my posts

as coming through from Matt. When I look at the newsgroups using

Outlook Express I see everything as "Christy Zurcher wrote:"...etc.

Don't worry - Olin is posting through yet another newsgroup-to-web

interface which has a few flaws. One of those is the (wrong)

interpretation of mail adresses and assigning them to more or less

correct "user names" - and then displaying only these names without the

mail address, ignoring the provided user name of the sender.

There's nothing you can do about this from your side. This needs to be

fixed at the other side. Your posts are perfectly fine (besides the line

length... ).

Is there a particular post where you are seeing this so I can

investigate?

<http://www.eaglecentral.ca/forums/index.php?t=msg&th=38123&start=0&S=5ccfa201173f2824731980c511a9ef15>

That's how it appears there - but remember, that's a fault of their

interface software, not yours.

As mentioned, I use Outlook Express to view the newsgroups and

messages posted out from element14 appear to have a proper

line-length when I view them there.

Maybe your OE automatically wraps the lines when viewing, or your window

width is rather small so the lines appear shorter than they are. In

fact, all your paragraphs are posted as a single line.

We want to make sure this works well for you guys who use the forums,

so anything I can do to make the experience better/investigate/fix on

our end I will surely try to do.

Thanks for all of your support, especially concerning the continuity of

the newsgroups. (But, however, don't confuse them with "forums"... )

Tilmann

Am 13.07.2010 13:36, schrieb Klaus Schmidinger:

>

It's probably a bad idea to stir up this thread again, but I just can't

leave this sentence uncommented.

>

If something is to be reasonably displayed on various systems (forums vs. news

groups), IMHO it makes the most sense to use the least common denominator.

And that is clearly NNTP.

>

Anyway, as long as I have a say here, the CadSoft support groups' database

will be the NNTP server on news.cadsoft.de. Web forums may interface to these

groups and do their best to display the postings correctly and send their

postings to the news server in a proper way. However, there is only one

place that is the ultimate reference, and that's news.cadsoft.de.

>

Klaus Schmidinger

Thank you very much for this final (hopefully) word

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Gruß / regards

Joern

On 7/13/10 7:36 AM, Klaus Schmidinger wrote:

Anyway, as long as I have a say here, the CadSoft support groups' database

will be the NNTP server on news.cadsoft.de. Web forums may interface to these

groups and do their best to display the postings correctly and send their

postings to the news server in a proper way. However, there is only one

place that is the ultimate reference, and that's news.cadsoft.de.

>

Klaus Schmidinger

Thank you...thank you...thank you.

This business with Element-14 etc. has made some people nervous about

the direction of Eagle but more and more it seems there is nothing to

worry about.

Am 13.07.2010 18:34, schrieb Olin Lathrop:

Oliver Betz wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 11:09

>> since it seems to be sooo difficult for todays users to get a NNTP

>> client running,

>

It's probably not difficult, but many just don't want to. I did Usenet and

NNTP in the 1980s. Things have moved on since then, and I really don't

want to go back. In any case, you can't tell people what they want to use.

You can either accomodate them or not. If I remember right, the forums at

Eagle Central have over 5000 members. That's a lot of people that voted

with their feet. Whether they did it for silly reasons or whether you

agree with them is immaterial.

Eagle Central seems to list anybody who has ever posted in news.cadsoft.de

as a member of its forum. So you may consider subtracting at least my name

from the member list. Maybe even Tilmann's and some more.

Quote:

>> what about a web interface to news.cadsoft.de?

>

As I said before, that doesn't address the issues. You're still dumbing

things down to the level of NNTP, and things are still stored in lowest

common denominator form with information irreversibly lost. That would

serve nobody's goal.

It would serve mine, if done correctly. Maybe even Tilmann's and some more.

Oliver Betz wrote on Tue, 13 July 2010 11:09

since it seems to be sooo difficult for todays users to get a NNTP

client running,

It's probably not difficult, but many just don't want to.  I did Usenet and

NNTP in the 1980s.  Things have moved on since then, and I really don't

want to go back.  In any case, you can't tell people what they want to use.

You can either accomodate them or not.  If I remember right, the forums at

Eagle Central have over 5000 members.  That's a lot of people that voted

with their feet.  Whether they did it for silly reasons or whether you

agree with them is immaterial.  The fact is that the demand is there.

Quote:

what about a web interface to news.cadsoft.de?

As I said before, that doesn't address the issues.  You're still dumbing

things down to the level of NNTP, and things are still stored in lowest

common denominator form with information irreversibly lost.  That would

serve nobody's goal.

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Klaus Schmidinger wrote:

>Anyway, as long as I have a say here, the CadSoft support groups' database

>will be the NNTP server on news.cadsoft.de. Web forums may interface to these

>groups and do their best to display the postings correctly and send their

>postings to the news server in a proper way. However, there is only one

>place that is the ultimate reference, and that's news.cadsoft.de.

since it seems to be sooo difficult for todays users to get a NNTP

client running, what about a web interface to news.cadsoft.de?

Oliver

On 07/10/10 15:47, Olin Lathrop wrote:

...

The reason that the underlying mechanism has to be a forum, is that it can

store the most information.

It's probably a bad idea to stir up this thread again, but I just can't

leave this sentence uncommented.

If something is to be reasonably displayed on various systems (forums vs. news

groups), IMHO it makes the most sense to use the least common denominator.

And that is clearly NNTP.

Anyway, as long as I have a say here, the CadSoft support groups' database

will be the NNTP server on news.cadsoft.de. Web forums may interface to these

groups and do their best to display the postings correctly and send their

postings to the news server in a proper way. However, there is only one

place that is the ultimate reference, and that's news.cadsoft.de.

Klaus Schmidinger

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Tilmann Reh wrote on Sat, 10 July 2010 16:08

and keep telling us that this was the only right way.

You need to start actually reading what I wrote.  If you look carefully,

what I suggest would make things better for everyone.  I also don't go

around telling people they should be using the forums, as you do with the

newsgroups.

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Olin Lathrop schrieb:

>> However, please note that those gateways have their bugs, and many of

>> the forum users might not be aware of them and the problems they cause.

 

Note that most of the "problems" are between the forums and the NNTP world.

Things are actually not that bad strictly within the forums.

OTOH, things are really fine - strictly within the newsgroups.

(Note that "really fine" is better than "not that bad"... )

You are heavily biased to using web based forums (which is absolutely OK

as your personal preference), and keep telling us that this was the only

right way.

But obviously, there are people (not only me) who have different

preferences - and maybe the same amount of bias towards NNTP.

[In this context, I have the impression that you are using the word "we"

a little bit too frequently, when expressing your personal opinion.]

CadSoft (and/or Farnell) will have to decide about which platform(s) to

use and/or support in future.

I think we have provided enough arguments/statements for them...

Tilmann

Olin Lathrop schrieb:

>> However, please note that those gateways have their bugs, and many of

>> the forum users might not be aware of them and the problems they cause.

 

Note that most of the "problems" are between the forums and the NNTP world.

Things are actually not that bad strictly within the forums.

OTOH, things are really fine - strictly within the newsgroups.

(Note that "really fine" is better than "not that bad"... )

You are heavily biased to using web based forums (which is absolutely OK

as your personal preference), and keep telling us that this was the only

right way.

But obviously, there are people (not only me) who have different

preferences - and maybe the same amount of bias towards NNTP.

[In this context, I have the impression that you are using the word "we"

a little bit too frequently, when expressing your personal opinion.]

CadSoft (and/or Farnell) will have to decide about which platform(s) to

use and/or support in future.

I think we have provided enough arguments/statements for them...

Tilmann

Tilmann Reh wrote on Sat, 10 July 2010 16:08

and keep telling us that this was the only right way.

You need to start actually reading what I wrote.  If you look carefully,

what I suggest would make things better for everyone.  I also don't go

around telling people they should be using the forums, as you do with the

newsgroups.

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