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The big NNTP vs HTML forum war collection

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Former Member over 15 years ago

For the ones that can't hold it back, here you can put your pro's and con's

and flame as much as you like. And Klaus can happily ignore (or read only)

if he wants:)

 

PLEASE PROVIDE FACTS BEFORE FLAMES.

 

Here is my list. I have triedto be neutral here!

 

NNTP pros:

-


  • Quick access. Personally I always have my email reader open, and the NNTP

is within the same app.

  • Quick overview. You can see instantly how many posting and a list of

topics

  • Cheap serving. There are lot of free noad servers out there.

  • Fast navigation.

  • Compact view

  • More spam resistant (that does not go for NNTP in general, but cadsoft's

forum has very little of it, if any at all)

  • Lowcost bandwidth

  • Low complexity

  • Several free apps to use it

  • It takes a lot less time to get through all messages than on HTTP.

  • No need to register

 

NNTP cons:

-


  • Port access. Some paranoid network administrators block NNTP port access.

  • Not very noob friendly. If you havent used a NNTP reader before, you need

to learn and get used to it.

  • Messages may look "boring" in plain text.

  • Text wrapping and quoting easily get messed up; in general not very

formatting friendly

  • Search unfriendly. All search has to happen on local copy of the message

list.

  • First time access load of all old messages takes a long time (maybe

Cadsoft has a low bandwidth to their servers?)

  • Sometimes need an extra app

 

HTTP pros:

-


  • Colors, emoticons, larger attachments (well, that is possible with NNTP

too, but not likely). In theory NNTP can do HTML content, but that is not

likely to happen.

  • Easier to get to

  • Normally doesnt need an extra app; most users already got a browser

installed.

 

HTTP cons:

-


  • I normally don't have a browser open at all times, and it takes a few

seconds to load the browser, even if I make a shortcut link to the site.

  • Navigation complexity. I have only see one forum which has a nice way of

navigating, but it only does plain text too.

  • Navigation speed. Moving from one message to the next is slower than NNTP.

  • Currently two custom 'accents' (element14 or eaglecentral) that needs to

be learned. There exist some common web forum formats, but afaik none of

them are used.

  • Higher cost and complexity of serving

  • Spam protection is harder

  • User account normally needed

 

 

Ok, thats all I can think of right now. Maybe you have something to add?

 

 

 

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  • kcadsoft
    kcadsoft over 15 years ago

    On 10/08/10 10:01, Morten Leikvoll wrote:

    ...

    NNTP cons:

    -------------

    ...

    • Messages may look "boring" in plain text.

     

     

    This is not an "entertainment" site image

     

    ...(maybe Cadsoft has a low bandwidth to their servers?)

     

    Our server is connected through a 100Mbit/s line - should be fast enough.

     

     

    One more thing: have you ever tried reading the messages on a mobile device,

    like a smart phone? It takes ages to fiddle your way though a web interface,

    while it's a lot easier to use a news reader app image

     

    Klaus Schmidinger

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    _______________________________________________________________

     

    Klaus Schmidinger                       Phone: +49-8635-6989-10

    CadSoft Computer GmbH                   Fax:   +49-8635-6989-40

    Pleidolfweg 15                          Email:   kls@cadsoft.de

    D-84568 Pleiskirchen, Germany           URL:     www.cadsoft.de

    _______________________________________________________________

     

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    Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to kcadsoft

    "Klaus Schmidinger" <Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote in message

    news:i8mk94$pqg$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    Our server is connected through a 100Mbit/s line - should be fast enough.

     

    Hmm.. Do you have any explanation why downloading the full, say

    eagle.userchat.eng takes so long?

    Is it just something in NNTP's nature, or is it just file access of several

    small files that does it?

    Loading headers only is fast, but messages is at the rate of 1-10 pr second.

    Having 5209 messages, this is enough to give up waiting..

     

    I'm on 50Mbit and here is my tracert:

     

    Tracing route to cheetah.cadsoft.de

    over a maximum of 30 hops:

     

      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.20.0.1

      2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  79.161.3.29.static.lyse.net

      3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  209.81-167-101.customer.lyse.net

      4    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  233.84-234-190.customer.lyse.net

      5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  138.213-167-114.customer.lyse.net

      6    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  118.81-166-123.customer.lyse.net

      7    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  init7.dix.dk

      8    26 ms    26 ms    26 ms  r1ams1.core.init7.net

      9    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  r1fra1.core.init7.net

    10    32 ms    32 ms    32 ms  gw-hetzner.init7.net

    11    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-bb1.juniper2.fs.hetzner.de

    12    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-tr3.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de

    13    39 ms    37 ms    37 ms  cheetah.cadsoft.de

     

    Trace complete.

     

     

     

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    Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to kcadsoft

    "Klaus Schmidinger" <Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote in message

    news:i8mk94$pqg$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    Our server is connected through a 100Mbit/s line - should be fast enough.

     

    Hmm.. Do you have any explanation why downloading the full, say

    eagle.userchat.eng takes so long?

    Is it just something in NNTP's nature, or is it just file access of several

    small files that does it?

    Loading headers only is fast, but messages is at the rate of 1-10 pr second.

    Having 5209 messages, this is enough to give up waiting..

     

    I'm on 50Mbit and here is my tracert:

     

    Tracing route to cheetah.cadsoft.de

    over a maximum of 30 hops:

     

      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.20.0.1

      2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  79.161.3.29.static.lyse.net

      3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  209.81-167-101.customer.lyse.net

      4    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  233.84-234-190.customer.lyse.net

      5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  138.213-167-114.customer.lyse.net

      6    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  118.81-166-123.customer.lyse.net

      7    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  init7.dix.dk

      8    26 ms    26 ms    26 ms  r1ams1.core.init7.net

      9    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  r1fra1.core.init7.net

    10    32 ms    32 ms    32 ms  gw-hetzner.init7.net

    11    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-bb1.juniper2.fs.hetzner.de

    12    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-tr3.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de

    13    39 ms    37 ms    37 ms  cheetah.cadsoft.de

     

    Trace complete.

     

     

     

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 15 years ago in reply to Former Member

    Morten Leikvoll Inscribed thus:

     

    "Klaus Schmidinger" <Klaus.Schmidinger@cadsoft.de> wrote in message

    news:i8mk94$pqg$1@cheetah.cadsoft.de...

    >> Our server is connected through a 100Mbit/s line - should be fast

    >> enough.

     

    Hmm.. Do you have any explanation why downloading the full, say

    eagle.userchat.eng takes so long?

    Is it just something in NNTP's nature, or is it just file access of

    several small files that does it?

    Loading headers only is fast, but messages is at the rate of 1-10 pr

    second. Having 5209 messages, this is enough to give up waiting..

     

    I'm on 50Mbit and here is my tracert:

     

    Tracing route to cheetah.cadsoft.de

    over a maximum of 30 hops:

     

      1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  10.20.0.1

      2    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  79.161.3.29.static.lyse.net

     

      3    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  209.81-167-101.customer.lyse.net

      4    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  233.84-234-190.customer.lyse.net

      5    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  138.213-167-114.customer.lyse.net

      6    14 ms    13 ms    13 ms  118.81-166-123.customer.lyse.net

      7    14 ms    15 ms    14 ms  init7.dix.dk

      8    26 ms    26 ms    26 ms  r1ams1.core.init7.net

      9    32 ms    32 ms    35 ms  r1fra1.core.init7.net

    10    32 ms    32 ms    32 ms  gw-hetzner.init7.net

    11    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-bb1.juniper2.fs.hetzner.de

    12    37 ms    37 ms    37 ms  hos-tr3.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de

    13    39 ms    37 ms    37 ms  cheetah.cadsoft.de

     

    Trace complete.

     

    Here is mine FWIW. I'm in the UK.

     

    traceroute to 188.40.46.46 (188.40.46.46), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets

    using UDP

    1  Lan  17.768 ms   12.271 ms   100.270 ms

    2  * * *

    3  * * *

    4  * * *

    5  * xe-9-2-0.edge3.London1.Level3.net (212.113.15.69)  21.757 ms 

    22.860 ms

    6  ae-34-52.ebr2.London1.Level3.net (4.69.139.97)  23.002 ms   23.766

    ms   24.037 ms

    7  ae-45-45.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.143.69)  30.528 ms

    ae-46-46.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.143.73)  31.964 ms

    ae-47-47.ebr2.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.143.77)  30.667 ms

    8  ae-1-100.ebr1.Amsterdam1.Level3.net (4.69.141.169)  30.620 ms 

    29.451 ms   31.002 ms

    9  ae-47-47.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.143.206)  33.580 ms

    ae-45-45.ebr2.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.143.198)  34.502 ms   35.209

    ms

    10  ae-1-100.ebr1.Dusseldorf1.Level3.net (4.69.141.149)  37.921 ms 

    42.508 ms   41.281 ms

    11  ae-45-45.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.166)  37.459 ms

    ae-46-46.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.170)  40.167 ms

    ae-45-45.ebr2.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.143.166)  36.962 ms

    12  ae-82-82.csw3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.140.26)  37.093 ms 

    41.820 ms ae-62-62.csw1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.140.18)  44.650 ms

    13  ae-1-69.edge3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.23.11)  38.717 ms

    ae-3-89.edge3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.23.139)  38.018 ms

    ae-2-79.edge3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.68.23.75)  38.350 ms

    14  HETZNER-ONL.edge3.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (212.162.40.206)  36.456 ms 

    36.184 ms   35.698 ms

    15  hos-bb1.juniper1.fs.hetzner.de (213.239.240.242)  43.514 ms

    hos-bb1.juniper2.fs.hetzner.de (213.239.240.243)  41.793 ms

    hos-bb1.juniper1.fs.hetzner.de (213.239.240.242)  41.623 ms

    16  hos-tr3.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de (213.239.227.195)  41.380 ms

    hos-tr2.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de (213.239.227.163)  40.579 ms

    hos-tr4.ex3k2.rz10.hetzner.de (213.239.227.227)  42.186 ms

    end

     

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    Best Regards:

                         Baron.

     

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