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Former Member over 15 years ago

For the ones that can't hold it back, here you can put your pro's and con's

and flame as much as you like. And Klaus can happily ignore (or read only)

if he wants:)

 

PLEASE PROVIDE FACTS BEFORE FLAMES.

 

Here is my list. I have triedto be neutral here!

 

NNTP pros:

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  • Quick access. Personally I always have my email reader open, and the NNTP

is within the same app.

  • Quick overview. You can see instantly how many posting and a list of

topics

  • Cheap serving. There are lot of free noad servers out there.

  • Fast navigation.

  • Compact view

  • More spam resistant (that does not go for NNTP in general, but cadsoft's

forum has very little of it, if any at all)

  • Lowcost bandwidth

  • Low complexity

  • Several free apps to use it

  • It takes a lot less time to get through all messages than on HTTP.

  • No need to register

 

NNTP cons:

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  • Port access. Some paranoid network administrators block NNTP port access.

  • Not very noob friendly. If you havent used a NNTP reader before, you need

to learn and get used to it.

  • Messages may look "boring" in plain text.

  • Text wrapping and quoting easily get messed up; in general not very

formatting friendly

  • Search unfriendly. All search has to happen on local copy of the message

list.

  • First time access load of all old messages takes a long time (maybe

Cadsoft has a low bandwidth to their servers?)

  • Sometimes need an extra app

 

HTTP pros:

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  • Colors, emoticons, larger attachments (well, that is possible with NNTP

too, but not likely). In theory NNTP can do HTML content, but that is not

likely to happen.

  • Easier to get to

  • Normally doesnt need an extra app; most users already got a browser

installed.

 

HTTP cons:

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  • I normally don't have a browser open at all times, and it takes a few

seconds to load the browser, even if I make a shortcut link to the site.

  • Navigation complexity. I have only see one forum which has a nice way of

navigating, but it only does plain text too.

  • Navigation speed. Moving from one message to the next is slower than NNTP.

  • Currently two custom 'accents' (element14 or eaglecentral) that needs to

be learned. There exist some common web forum formats, but afaik none of

them are used.

  • Higher cost and complexity of serving

  • Spam protection is harder

  • User account normally needed

 

 

Ok, thats all I can think of right now. Maybe you have something to add?

 

 

 

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 15 years ago

    "Morten Leikvoll" wrote:

     

    >For the ones that can't hold it back, here you can put your pro's and con's

     

    Good compilation.

     

    Threading and efficient user interface are my most important

    arguments.

     

    >NNTP cons:

    >* Text wrapping and quoting easily get messed up; in general not very

    >formatting friendly

     

    most forum software makes smart quoting very, very complicated. Ever

    tried to quote several parts separately, and to trim quotes? So this

    is a NNTP con only if someone makes a really web good forum software.

     

    >HTTP pros:

    >----


    >* Colors, emoticons,

     

    I want to transport facts, not play with fancy emoticons. I found that

    most people don't need long to understand ASCII emoticons. And it's

    typed much faster than selected with the mouse. Well, no problem for

    me if the gateway translates it. BTW: IM clients use ASCII to encode

    emoticons.

     

    larger attachments (well, that is possible with NNTP

     

    File storage can be separate (IOW an addition) from the discussion

    solution. Look at the SwitcherCad mailing list.

     

    Oliver

     

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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 15 years ago

    "Morten Leikvoll" wrote:

     

    >For the ones that can't hold it back, here you can put your pro's and con's

     

    Good compilation.

     

    Threading and efficient user interface are my most important

    arguments.

     

    >NNTP cons:

    >* Text wrapping and quoting easily get messed up; in general not very

    >formatting friendly

     

    most forum software makes smart quoting very, very complicated. Ever

    tried to quote several parts separately, and to trim quotes? So this

    is a NNTP con only if someone makes a really web good forum software.

     

    >HTTP pros:

    >----


    >* Colors, emoticons,

     

    I want to transport facts, not play with fancy emoticons. I found that

    most people don't need long to understand ASCII emoticons. And it's

    typed much faster than selected with the mouse. Well, no problem for

    me if the gateway translates it. BTW: IM clients use ASCII to encode

    emoticons.

     

    larger attachments (well, that is possible with NNTP

     

    File storage can be separate (IOW an addition) from the discussion

    solution. Look at the SwitcherCad mailing list.

     

    Oliver

     

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