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Out of the Box Gripes

autodeskguest

Hello everyone,

 

EAGLE is quite powerful and flexible.  But with great flexibility comes

great irritation if you don't know how to do it (or even that you can).

And new users may either get discouraged and leave the community, work

inefficiently for years and not realise it, or even worse, not realise an

easy to fix issue and get back boards that don't work (thinking of cam job

mirroring of bottom layer).

 

So what is on your list of things that EAGLE could configure better out of

the box.  I'm not talking about any new functionality.  I'm thinking about

things that EAGLE will do, but is just not configured out of the box.  Or

things that everyone does the first time they install EAGLE.

 

Here's a start, please add to it.  This is meant to make EAGLE even better,

not just annoy people, so try to be constructive image  Hopefully the new

people at Newark will take this list seriously as it greatly effects that

first impression new users get.  A bad one and they might never come back.

 

1)  bill of materials and x-y data generation integrated, documented, and

supported.

 

2)  advanced find integrated, documented, and supported

 

3)  better use of colour pallette and default values other than indices

16-63 being gray (or grey if you like)

 

4)  default CAM jobs mirror bottom layer, shouldn't be done normally

 

5)  key assignments for all normal activities, documented and supported.

Of course, users can make their own changes by editing eagle.scr etc, but

again most users don't really know that is possible.  And a template

document that you can edit to give new employees the cheat sheet.

 

That's a start, I'm sure there are a ton more.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

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James Morrison  ~~~  Stratford Digital

 

email:  james@eaglecentral.ca

web: http://www.eaglecentral.ca

 

Specialising in CadSoft EAGLE

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  • Klaus Schmidinger wrote on Tue, 19 January 2010 04:45

    On 01/18/10 23:29, James Morrison wrote:

    I'll add to my list:

     

    New board files have the DRC setup as (1*16) but there are 16

    layers

    displayed in the layers.  That is not correct and confusing.  If

    you put

    anything on those layers you get a DRC error (rightly).  And to get

    rid of

    them you have to change the layer configuration to something else

    (1*2+16)

    for instance and then back to (1*16) to get the layers displayed to

    only

    show top and bottom.

     

    And during routing you get the whole list of layers to switch

    between when

    the DRC setup says there are only two layers and it should just

    toggle.

     

    This bug must be overwhelming to new users who aren't quite sure

    how things

    should work and what to do about it.   And it's a nuisance to

    experienced

    users to boot.

     

    I can't reproduce this here.

    When I create a new board, the DISPLAY, LAYER, ROUTE and WIRE command

    all

    show only layers 1 and 16.

     

     

    Let me be a bit more specific.  If I go from Control Panel and create a

    board with File->New->Board then the layers are as I expect.  But I rarely

    use this path in reality.

     

    First create a new schematic from Control Panel with File-New->Schematic.

    Then I type in "board" and answer "Yes" to the dialog to create a new

    board.  Now there are 16 electrical layers shown in layers dialog even

    though the DRC->Layers setup is (1*16).

     

    Quote:

    Is there something in your eagle.scr file that might display all

    layers, like "SET USED_LAYERS ALL"?

     

    There is no instance of "LAYERS" at all in eagle.scr.

     

    Cheers,

     

    James.

    --

    James Morrison  ~~~  Stratford Digital

     

    email:  james@eaglecentral.ca

    web: http://www.eaglecentral.ca

     

    Specialising in CadSoft EAGLE

    • Online Sales to North America

    • Electronic Design Services

    • EAGLE Enterprise Toolkit

    --

    Browser access to CadSoft Support Forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca

     

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  • Klaus Schmidinger wrote on Tue, 19 January 2010 04:45

    On 01/18/10 23:29, James Morrison wrote:

    I'll add to my list:

     

    New board files have the DRC setup as (1*16) but there are 16

    layers

    displayed in the layers.  That is not correct and confusing.  If

    you put

    anything on those layers you get a DRC error (rightly).  And to get

    rid of

    them you have to change the layer configuration to something else

    (1*2+16)

    for instance and then back to (1*16) to get the layers displayed to

    only

    show top and bottom.

     

    And during routing you get the whole list of layers to switch

    between when

    the DRC setup says there are only two layers and it should just

    toggle.

     

    This bug must be overwhelming to new users who aren't quite sure

    how things

    should work and what to do about it.   And it's a nuisance to

    experienced

    users to boot.

     

    I can't reproduce this here.

    When I create a new board, the DISPLAY, LAYER, ROUTE and WIRE command

    all

    show only layers 1 and 16.

     

     

    Let me be a bit more specific.  If I go from Control Panel and create a

    board with File->New->Board then the layers are as I expect.  But I rarely

    use this path in reality.

     

    First create a new schematic from Control Panel with File-New->Schematic.

    Then I type in "board" and answer "Yes" to the dialog to create a new

    board.  Now there are 16 electrical layers shown in layers dialog even

    though the DRC->Layers setup is (1*16).

     

    Quote:

    Is there something in your eagle.scr file that might display all

    layers, like "SET USED_LAYERS ALL"?

     

    There is no instance of "LAYERS" at all in eagle.scr.

     

    Cheers,

     

    James.

    --

    James Morrison  ~~~  Stratford Digital

     

    email:  james@eaglecentral.ca

    web: http://www.eaglecentral.ca

     

    Specialising in CadSoft EAGLE

    • Online Sales to North America

    • Electronic Design Services

    • EAGLE Enterprise Toolkit

    --

    Browser access to CadSoft Support Forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca

     

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