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Future of Eagle

Joop14
Joop14 over 9 years ago

Hello all,

 

I saw the release notes of Beta version 7.6.2:

 

Quote:

- Added 'manufacturing.ulp' provided by Autodesk. It supports an

upload of EAGLE drawing files to 'circuits.io' in order to generate

manufacturing data which can then be downloaded. The Ulp is

accessible as an icon in the board editor.

- Added 'ecadio.ulp' provided by Autodesk. It supports an upload

of EAGLE boards to 'ecad.io' in order to generate a 3D PCB for

use in MCAD systems. The Ulp is accessible as an icon in the

board editor.

 

 

So, new "features" are not accessible anymore without internet

connection??

 

What happened with "we want standalone programs that can do the job"??

 

What if I don't want to upload my intellectual property to others?

 

What about IDF export without any dependency of a vendor?

 

I'm a bit worried about the direction of Eagle.

 

 

 

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    So, new "features" are not accessible anymore without internet

    connection??

    To be fair, the DesignLink stuff that's been in the last several versions of EAGLE uses internet resources I believe? Not that I have used it, it's not at all useful to me in my workflow.

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    What happened with "we want standalone programs that can do the job"??

    The export to ECAD.io to generate 3D models of boards for import into the likes of Fusion360 isn't new. It's been available for a while now, they've just added a menu item now Autodesk own EAGLE so that people know about it. It actually works well and my MCAD guy was really excited when he found out about that capability.

     

    I'm not too fussed about circuits.io, I think it's probably a lot more appealing to hobby/maker users rather than professional users. It's not something I see myself using. But it's there and works so I don't have any issues with them simply adding a link to it.

     

    You missed the new feature that doesn't require any external resources. The one where the net names appears in your traces in your PCB. This is a really simple but great feature. Credit where credit is due, this is only a minor point release and a beta at that so having a useful feature added is good. From the details they've given about new features they are targeting for a future release in the blog posts they've made since the acquisition, it doesn't look like they are moving everything to online based services. To me this release is just consolidating what's already there and making it more easily accessible.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    Joop14 over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Tue, 16 August 2016 14:48

    You missed the new feature that doesn't require any external resources.

    The one where the net names appears in your traces in your PCB. This is a

    really simple but great feature.

     

     

    I didn't miss it, and I do like it, however, I haven't tried it myself. We

    are still stuck with V6

    because V7 contains a bug that renders schematics and layout very slow on

    our hardware.

    It has been reported to, and confirmed by, Cadsoft. Still, no solution...

     

    Then there's a "general issue" with Eagle & Cadsoft. When you ask for a

    feature,

    they provide you an ulp.

    When you complain about broken ulp's , the response is, it's not a part of

    Eagle...

    Still, with every new release of Eagle, they include broken ulp's.

     

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    I didn't miss it, and I do like it, however, I haven't tried it myself. We are still stuck with V6 because V7 contains a bug that renders schematics and layout very slow on our hardware. It has been reported to, and confirmed by, Cadsoft. Still, no solution...

    That's not great, if you are stuck on v6 that's not good at all. I take it a hardware upgrade isn't an option? Not that you should have to fork out for new hardware of course....

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    Then there's a "general issue" with Eagle & Cadsoft. When you ask for a feature, they provide you an ulp. When you complain about broken ulp's , the response is, it's not a part of Eagle... Still, with every new release of Eagle, they include broken ulp's.

    I've no issue with them providing ULP's but I agree if it's CADSoft who supply it then they should support it. I guess if it's a 3rd party ULP that they happen to think might help you out for a particular issue then they are under no obligation to provide support for it, but anything that ships with the installer should work and be supported. I do tend to ignore 99% of the built in ULP and 100% of the libs though and just create everything I need myself so I haven't come across any issues there.

     

    I do agree that there is a lot which should be tidied up and/or removed from EAGLE, broken or out dated ULP and some of the just plain awful free bundled libraries to name but a few but I think over recent years they have been very starved of resources and it's probably not a small task to go through everything with a fine tooth comb and clean it all up. Now they are part of Autodesk they should have a lot more resources so maybe some of these issues will get resolved.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    I didn't miss it, and I do like it, however, I haven't tried it myself. We are still stuck with V6 because V7 contains a bug that renders schematics and layout very slow on our hardware. It has been reported to, and confirmed by, Cadsoft. Still, no solution...

    That's not great, if you are stuck on v6 that's not good at all. I take it a hardware upgrade isn't an option? Not that you should have to fork out for new hardware of course....

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    Then there's a "general issue" with Eagle & Cadsoft. When you ask for a feature, they provide you an ulp. When you complain about broken ulp's , the response is, it's not a part of Eagle... Still, with every new release of Eagle, they include broken ulp's.

    I've no issue with them providing ULP's but I agree if it's CADSoft who supply it then they should support it. I guess if it's a 3rd party ULP that they happen to think might help you out for a particular issue then they are under no obligation to provide support for it, but anything that ships with the installer should work and be supported. I do tend to ignore 99% of the built in ULP and 100% of the libs though and just create everything I need myself so I haven't come across any issues there.

     

    I do agree that there is a lot which should be tidied up and/or removed from EAGLE, broken or out dated ULP and some of the just plain awful free bundled libraries to name but a few but I think over recent years they have been very starved of resources and it's probably not a small task to go through everything with a fine tooth comb and clean it all up. Now they are part of Autodesk they should have a lot more resources so maybe some of these issues will get resolved.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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