When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

One of the new exciting features:

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

They seem to have forgotten this:

Quote:

Dear Valued EAGLE Customer,

 

With the release of EAGLE v7, CadSoft Computer introduced a new

License Management system for EAGLE in order to better protect

our intellectual property and offer more flexibility and control

to customers with multi-user licenses on a network. During the

two weeks since the launch of EAGLE v7, we have been listening

carefully to your constructive feedback and concerns about the

new License Management technology and have decided to remove the

license management features from EAGLE v7.

 

CadSoft Computer has always, and will always, put the customer

needs at the focus of everything we do. We understand that for a

large group of our customers the current License Management is

causing limitations or is simply not usable in your current work

flow. Therefore, we have decided to withdraw the new License

Management system with immediate effect.

http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/t/49854/c7286ef7ecac30e5ec09e9251159f508/

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On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

probably the least annoying.

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

your license).

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

pretty good for them.

Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

are any questions or if I missed something.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Hi Jorge,

Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Hi Jorge,

Can you confirm that it will still work on multiple machines? I.e. I

currently run EAGLE on two Mac's and one Linux PC, as I use different

machines depending upon where I am and what I am doing. If that ability

were no longer available that would be an issue for me.

Best Regards,

Rachael

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Am 17.01.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

Bye bye EAGLE. We had a good time the last 20 years, but it's time to

look for alternatives now...

Am 17.01.2017 um 23:18 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

On 1/17/2017 2:53 PM, Joop wrote:

One of the new exciting features:

 

Autodesk & Cadsoft will try again to enforce a "licence management"

system that will require you to have an internet connection...

 

They seem to have forgotten this:

Hi Joop,

 

It was nice to chat with you on friday. I'll never forget that fiasco

with Newark. There were a lot of factors that made that implementation

unuseable. I've played with this one. Even though I know that any change

in this area is going to be met with resistance, this implementation is

probably the least annoying.

 

So here are the details:

- Gone are key files and installation codes. No more having to store

them or remembering where you put them. Now your EAGLE license will be

tied to you Autodesk Account. When EAGLE starts up for the first time

you will have to login to your Autodesk Account and EAGLE will hit the

Autodesk server to check your entitlement(this is what Autodesk calls

your license).

 

If everything checks out, you'll be greeted with the control panel. If

you close EAGLE and open it again it will automatically use the

credentials you supplied previously and just start.

 

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

 

That is basically all there is to it. At a minimum you need to be able

to connect to the internet once every two weeks in order to use EAGLE.

This is the same licensing model Fusion uses and it seems to be working

pretty good for them.

 

Thought it would be useful to spell it out clearly. Let me know if there

are any questions or if I missed something.

 

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

 

 

Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Joern Paschedag schrieb:

Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

Indeed (27 for me).

I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

model is an absolute no-go.

Farewell,

Tilmann

Joern Paschedag schrieb:

Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

Indeed (27 for me).

I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

model is an absolute no-go.

Farewell,

Tilmann

On 18/01/2017 8:34 p.m., Tilmann Reh wrote:

Joern Paschedag schrieb:

 

Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

 

Indeed (27 for me).

 

I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

model is an absolute no-go.

 

Farewell,

Tilmann

 

I see no difference to that vehemently shouted down last time.

I too won't support a product that compels connection to the internet

beyond initial registration.

Warren

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On 18/01/17 08:10, warrenbrayshaw wrote:

On 18/01/2017 8:34 p.m., Tilmann Reh wrote:

Joern Paschedag schrieb:

 

Time to say goodbye.. after 25 years.

 

Indeed (27 for me).

 

I was really hoping that V8 would be a step forward, but this license

model is an absolute no-go.

 

Farewell,

Tilmann

 

 

I see no difference to that vehemently shouted down last time.

 

I too won't support a product that compels connection to the internet

beyond initial registration.

 

Indeed.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Tue, 17 January 2017 17:18

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

 

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

 

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

 

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

Hi Jorge,

This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

system verification incompatible).

I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

account at all).

2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

for example).

Thanks.

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Jorge Garcia wrote on Tue, 17 January 2017 17:18

- EAGLE can work in offline mode for 14 days. The countdown starts from

 

the last time EAGLE was able to hit Autodesk servers. So if you go on a

 

business trip you don't have to worry about Wifi or anything like that.

 

It is VITAL that you don't sign out. If you sign out and then go

offline, EAGLE won't have your licensing credentials and you won't be

able to work.

Hi Jorge,

This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

system verification incompatible).

I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

account at all).

2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

for example).

Thanks.

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Hi Jorge,

 

This is obviously very unwelcome news, but I was expecting it.

 

Autodesk will be under immense pressure to make sure this is not

problematic for any users. In fact I have never, ever used a piece of

software with this kind of licensing that did not occasionally fail to

authenticate for some reason (ie due to a OS update rendering the license's

system verification incompatible).

 

I'd be grateful if you could answer two important questions.

 

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an Autodesk

account at all).

As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

policies.

You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They are

easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

 

2) Will the file formats for boards, schematics and libraries all still be

plain (non-obfuscated) XML? This is very important if we are to trust our

designs to a piece of software that it may not be possible to run at some

point in the future (due to changes at Autodesk or the ownership of Eagle,

for example).

Yes, we will continue to be XML.

Best Regards,

Jorge Garcia

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

1) Will Eagle still allow you to fully inspect designs in

read-only mode

while completely offline for more than 14 days (or without an

Autodesk

account at all).

 

As of right now it becomes unusable. I was not aware of that, I will

bring it to the attention of management immediately to see if this can

 

be changed. Having it as a reader shouldn't conflict with Autodesk

policies.

 

You need to have an Autodesk account, even to use the freeware. They

are

easy to obtain from accounts.autodesk.com

Hi Jorge,

Thanks for explaining, and bringing up this issue with management.

I see it as a serious problem if it is not possible, after installing

Eagle, to even inspect designs without an internet connection and working

license situation.

No license enforcement software is perfect. As well as issues with

connectivity, I have had problems in the past where a system update since a

piece of software was last used has broken the license checking mechanism,

requiring an update from the software provider.

As it stands you are telling us that under any of the following conditions

we would no longer be able to use Eagle at all:

1) You are currently without a working internet connection and you are not

signed in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

2) The Autodesk license server is temporarily down and you are not signed

in (or last used Eagle more than 14 days ago)

3) An operating system update has broken the license enforcement mechanism

and a fix has not yet been released

It is of course potentially very problematic that Eagle should lose any

functionality in such conditions, but it sounds like Autodesk won't budge

on it.

Therefore I think it is very important that in ALL of these situations,

Eagle at the very least falls back to being a fully functional reader.

Imagine being at a factory in China and being unable to properly check an

urgent design query because you don't have an internet connection? Or you

do have a connection, but there is some kind of software issue caused by

your OS? You must at least be able to inspect the designs, even if you

can't modify them.

This is absolutely critical stuff.

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 12:41

Yes, we will continue to be XML.

Better news thanks!

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