When is Eagle v8 coming   out?

On 01/22/2017 01:24 PM, rachaelp wrote:

 

Whilst I appreciate people are not happy with EAGLE going subscription based for v8, there is no need for everybody to suddenly migrate all their systems to another package immediately as existing licenses will continue to be valid indefinitely. Yes you might not be willing to use the subscription based version, but there is plenty of time to see how things play out and, if needed, migrate to a package which suits your needs better.

Well spaketh!

I'm not switching to Kicad - I have too much invested in Eagle to do

something as brash as changing CAD programs.  However, I will have to

live with v7.7 for some time.

Enjoy,

    - Chuck

John DeArmond wrote:

 

Now I can keep the schematic and board layout in windows so I don't

have to clutter my bench with papers. Since Eagle has been

autodesked, I can no long do my job using Eagle software.

 

My solution, of course, is KiCAD so it really doesn't matter to me

what AutoDesk does.

You can continue doing your job with the current version of EAGLE which you already own without issue. That license isn't going away just because v8 has been released with a subscription model. You just won't be able to upgrade to v8 on this machine.

Whilst I appreciate people are not happy with EAGLE going subscription based for v8, there is no need for everybody to suddenly migrate all their systems to another package immediately as existing licenses will continue to be valid indefinitely. Yes you might not be willing to use the subscription based version, but there is plenty of time to see how things play out and, if needed, migrate to a package which suits your needs better.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 12:53:07 -0500, Jorge Garcia

<jorge@cadsoftusa.com> wrote:

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

Here's my situation.  My company manufactures induction heaters.  The

PCB is off-line.  That is, it is at line potential.  I have a laptop

dedicated to that board.  When it's time to burn an upgrade, debug or

use the ICE, this laptop is unplugged and runs on battery.

We don't use WiFi around here for security reasons.  That computer

never has and never will be connected to the Internet.  New material

gets transferred the old fashioned way - sneakernet with thumb drives.

Now I can keep the schematic and board layout in windows so I don't

have to clutter my bench with papers.  Since Eagle has been

autodesked, I can no long do my job using Eagle software.

My solution, of course, is KiCAD so it really doesn't matter to me

what AutoDesk does.

I would be interested to learn how much revenue this move costs

AutoDesk as people migrate to other solutions.

John

John DeArmond

http://www.neon-john.com

http://www.tnduction.com

Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

See website for email address

Hi James,

I am certain Jorge will also chime into this thread, but I will do my

best to be as accurate as possible on some of the points made.

On 01/18/2017 09:05 PM, James Morrison wrote:

Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

 

<snip>

 

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

 

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

 

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

 

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

 

there's not much that can be done about it.

 

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

 

There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

use EAGLE.

 

I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

After the terms of the subscription have ended, the program will have

the limitation of the free version.

 

One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

Autodesk changed the names)?

That is not a typo, the standard edition of Autdesk EAGLE supports 2

layers. If there is a need of more than 2 layers, then a Premium

subscription will be required. EAGLE is no longer subject to a specific

board size, with this new model size limitation is by area.

 

Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

EAGLE will continue to work normally offline for 14 days. Continued

development is committed to support all platforms and offer you a

program with the stability you are use to.

I hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Ed

edwin.robledo@autodesk.com

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

Am 19.01.2017 um 10:29 schrieb Markus Rudolf:

On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please

the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

 

Fully ACK.

INDEED

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On 19.01.2017 03:05, James Morrison wrote:

That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

 

Cheers,

 

James.

 

Fully ACK.

On 19.01.2017 03:26, Josh Hewson wrote:

I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

I agree to this. I don't like to be held hostage (* see below) by some

unknown  future company policy. I find the "old" sw model very reliable,

as it doesn't matter what the future brings.

I do see sw/apps changing toward subscription models and I don't like

it. In fact I try to stay away from it. If my kid wants to play a game

on the ipad and I can buy it for $5, I may do that. If they want $1 a

month, by principle I don't buy it, even if I know the kid will be tired

of the game within a month. It is just the amount of involvement that

puts me off. I have to start getting mentally involved, like thinking

"but what happens after I pay for a month and a month has passed? Will

they automatically charge me again? For how long?", so I just don't go

there. I prefer paying some extra to get all that out of my head.

My biggest worry is some kind of future change "outside your walls" that

will render the software unusable and basically ask for ransom in a

social acceptable way, like require you to pay for soft or hw updates. I

think sw companies are really taking advantage of customers that don't

read or care about the license agreements because they are unable to

understand any consequences.

When it comes to Eagle 8, I don't know what to do yet. I am not

comfortable upgrading, but may end up doing it after all if I find the

new features worthy, but it will leave me with some discomfort, like

loosing another battle. Investigating what Kicad can do is very

tempting, and I feel I should enforce my strong opinion as customer too.

(*) I have seen this hostage situation happen on my old gen1 ipad, where

apps stop working and deny upgrades unless you have latest iOS, even if

the old hardware is perfectly capable of doing the job. It is just too

much hassle for them to support all iOS versions. I think we will see

more of these issues in the future.

I do not like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it. Use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store

This is a no-go for me.

I dont like this renting software model: I would prefer to pay for it, and use it with or without being online and get free updates as they become available. ~ Similiar to buying software on the Apple App Store.

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Jorge Garcia wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 17:53

 

<snip>

 

At this point in time and under this licensing mechanism there is no

solution for off-network machines. There are other schemes at ADSK that

 

do allow off-network licenses, but EAGLE doesn't currently have them. I

 

will be making our management aware of this full thread to see what

improvements can be made.

 

Autodesk is full subscription going forward and this position is

non-negotiable. I know that for a lot of you this is not good news, but

 

there's not much that can be done about it.

 

I'm truly sorry guys.

Jorge Garcia

There's no need to be sorry Jorge. Either EAGLE customers will accept this

change or they won't.  I hope Autodesk did a lot of research into the mess

that Farnell made with v7.0 licensing and have thought through how people

use EAGLE.

I have a question about the subscription model.  Say I subscribe at v8.0

and continue subscription until v8.2 comes out.  Then I stop subscribing.

Can I continue to use v8.2 indefinitely?

One other question:  The website says the "Standard" license is 2-signal

layers and "Premium" is 16 layers.   Is the 2-signal layers a typo?  What

happened to the 6-layer level in between (formerly called Standard before

Autodesk changed the names)?

Finally, consider businesses (like mine, Stratford Digital) who stake their

reputation on EAGLE.  If I can't work because of something out of my

control (autodesk's server is down, internet between here and there is not

working, ...) then I may not be able to deliver and that looks bad on me.

As a professional, I can't just blame the tools.  That is one of the main

reasons I chose EAGLE all those years ago:  it doesn't crash, it works on

every platform, and it doesn't need any other infrastructure to please the

licensing gods.  I'm still trying to get my head around the changes but I

hope that this will still continue to be the case.

Cheers,

James.

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