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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
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    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 14:26

    WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the

    license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV

    star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example. 

     

    Point it, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and

    alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us at all to upset the users

    we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their

    business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I

    can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all. 

    We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game

    developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that

    shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these

    categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a

    path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools'

    viability under this model.  Not helpful.

     

     

    Hi Matt,

     

    We don't know what will happen in the future with respect to licensing and

    activations for Eagle, and its overall direction.

     

    Don't forget that these were the same assurances that companies gave to

    people when they sold DRM'ed music files. After all, it's impossible that a

    company like Microsoft would ever shut down any of its authorisation

    servers? Remember what happened there?

     

    I've been using Eagle for more than a decade. Some folks on this list for

    twice that. On long timescales none of us, not even anyone at Autodesk, can

    predict how the CAD and business landscape will change, and priorities

    shift.

     

    I know you're trying to keep things lighthearted, but I'm concerned that

    with your talk of mountain bases and alien invasions that you don't truly

    grasp the probabilities and the stakes here.

     

    In the longer term there is the potential for Eagle to be replaced with

    another product, or Autodesk to run into serious difficulty (it can happen

    to ANY company. Remember Nokia? Yahoo? Autodesk is a small company by

    comparison).  There is also the potential for Eagle to stop supporting a

    particular platform, and so it becomes impossible activate even a

    previously released version of Eagle.

     

    In the shorter term there are very real risks associated with phone-home

    licensing. All of the following I have experienced with such schemes in the

    past:

     

    • Internet connectivity issues at my end

    • License server downtime

    • System changes my end that cause the license check to fail

     

    Now we may all have live with these risks and try to manage them as well as

    possible. But please understand that these are all real possibilities, with

    potentially serious consequences. They are not the preserve of people

    trecking to remote places. Indeed just visiting a factory can be a

    situation with limited connectivity and incredibly time-sensitive need to

    access board designs.

     

    Matt Berggren wrote on Wed, 18 January 2017 14:26

    So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to

    login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that,

    you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without

    connection. 

     

     

    This might seem like a trivial detail but I think it has big consequences.

     

    It is important that it be possible to use Eagle in at least read-only mode

    after installation without pinging Autodesk servers.

     

    As I've outlined above, there are plenty of possibilities, both short term

    temporary issues in the present, and potentially more permanent problems in

    the future, that may lead to Eagle not being being able to successfully

    authenticate (or update) after installation (or reinstallation, perhaps due

    to a software or system problem).

     

    Up until now we have had certainty that with a copy of the relevant Eagle

    installation binary and our license key, no matter what happens, including

    any temporary problems or bigger changes in the future, we will be able to

    open any designs we've created. Even if it means one day spinning up a

    virtual machine with an older OS for compatibility with an old Eagle

    version.

     

    The new scheme removes that confidence.

     

    Whilst this whole change is of course unwelcome, I would feel better if you

    could guarantee that Eagle will be able to fall back to being a reader NO

    MATTER WHAT, and no matter whether it has ever talked to Autodesk servers.

     

    You might feel that we sound like stubborn obsessives. I know that you are

    dedicated to making Eagle a success, and maybe you feel that you have

    staked your career on it. But for many of us running small businesses based

    on our hardware, we really do have our livelihoods tied up in these

    designs. Eagle might change direction and leave us behind, or you may move

    on to better things, but we will still need to know with complete certainty

    that we can access all our work, past and present.

     

    Can you help us out here with at least a guaranteed read-only fallback

    mode?

     

    Thanks.

     

    ps. Congratulations on the new features, they look great. I'm sorry so much

    focus is on this less pleasant topic, but it is honestly absolutely

    critical.

    --

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to Justynb

    justyn wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 06:05

    Can you help us out here with at least a guaranteed read-only fallback

    mode?

     

     

    Just to clarify my earlier message, I mean a read-only mode that still

    allows manufacturing data to be generated.

    --

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to Justynb

    justyn wrote on Thu, 19 January 2017 06:05

    Can you help us out here with at least a guaranteed read-only fallback

    mode?

     

     

    Just to clarify my earlier message, I mean a read-only mode that still

    allows manufacturing data to be generated.

    --

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: The original and best browser access to CadSoft EAGLE support forums.  Supported by EAGLE licenses purchased through us :: http://www.eaglelicenses.com

     

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