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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    On the positive side I feel confident that Autodesk will see the EAGLE customer base plummet and hopefully they will resell EAGLE to someone that understands the EAGLE customer base. If my current version can keep me going in the meantime I will upgrade then.

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    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    On the positive side I feel confident that Autodesk will see the EAGLE customer base plummet and hopefully they will resell EAGLE to someone that understands the EAGLE customer base. If my current version can keep me going in the meantime I will upgrade then.

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    dharris2112 over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    I found this thread when I went to upgrade my v7.5 license to v7.7 and was redirected to the Autodesk site. I had seen the email last year about the Autodesk purchase but quite frankly forgot about it.

     

    Like others who have already posted, I have a Premium license. The ROI to continue under a subscription scheme is not there for me.

     

    I didn't even know about KiCAD until now. Reviewing their webpage makes me want to try it . 32 layers, trace tuning, hmm. There are downsides to free software mainly "fast" technical support and "fast" bug fixes (although this isn't always the case). However, the new pricing structure has me looking at KiCAD (free being icing on the cake).

     

    Maybe after this revolt, Autodesk/Eagle will go back to the old perpetual license structure; Or at least "de-cloud" the license so you don't need an active subscription to use the revision you already have on your workstation(s). At that point, I'll re-evaluate an upgrade to the latest.

     

    As of now, I'm evaluating KiCAD and we'll see how well it works for me.

     

    Regards,

     

    Dave H.

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to dharris2112

    On 21/01/2017 8:51 a.m., David Harris wrote:

    I found this thread when I went to upgrade my v7.5 license to v7.7 and was redirected to the Autodesk site. I had seen the email last year about the Autodesk purchase but quite frankly forgot about it.

     

    Like others who have already posted, I have a Premium license. The ROI to continue under a subscription scheme is not there for me.

     

    I didn't even know about KiCAD until now. Reviewing their webpage makes me want to try it . 32 layers, trace tuning, hmm. There are downsides to free software mainly "fast" technical support and "fast" bug fixes (although this isn't always the case). However, the new pricing structure has me looking at KiCAD (free being icing on the cake).

     

    Maybe after this revolt, Autodesk/Eagle will go back to the old perpetual license structure; Or at least "de-cloud" the license so you don't need an active subscription to use the revision you already have on your workstation(s). At that point, I'll re-evaluate an upgrade to the latest.

     

    As of now, I'm evaluating KiCAD and we'll see how well it works for me.

     

    Regards,

     

    Dave H.

     

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    Dave as I understand it, your paid  v7.5 licence is applicable to v7.7.

    You should be able to load up 7.7 and apply the licence details you

    acquired around v7.5 time

     

    Jorge should be able to confirm this.

     

    HTH

    Warren

     

     

    --

    ... use NNTP://news.cadsoft.de and a functional news reader like

    Thunderbird!

    ... or http://www.eaglecentral.ca browser access to CadSoft EAGLE

    support forums.

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to dharris2112

    David Harris wrote:

     

    I found this thread when I went to upgrade my v7.5 license to v7.7 and

    was redirected to the Autodesk site. I had seen the email last year

    about the Autodesk purchase but quite frankly forgot about it.

     

    just get 7.7 from ftp://ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program/7.7 your 7.5

    licence is applicable for all 7.x

    --

     

    Lorenz

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi

    Dave as I understand it, your paid  v7.5 licence is applicable to v7.7.

    You should be able to load up 7.7 and apply the licence details you

    acquired around v7.5 time

     

    Jorge should be able to confirm this.

     

    HTH

    Warren

     

    Confirmed,

     

    Jorge Garcia

    Autodesk Support

     

     

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