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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    I believe Autodesk will not pump money into Cadsoft for one or two years

    without getting enough

    revenue. They will either change back to the old license management system

    or they will sell

    Cadsoft (which opens the opportunity for the new owner to change the

    licensing system as well).

     

    So, if most users don't take a subscription, the problem will resolve in

    the end.

    In the mean time use V6 or V7.

    (I already downloaded copies of V6 & V7 for all platforms in case Autodesk

    gets the brilliant

    idea to pull the plug of the ftp server)

     

     

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:24:28 +0100, Joop <teuniz@gmail.com> wrote:

     

    I believe Autodesk will not pump money into Cadsoft for one or two years

    without getting enough

    revenue. They will either change back to the old license management system

    or they will sell

    Cadsoft (which opens the opportunity for the new owner to change the

    licensing system as well).

     

    Or most likely, Autodesk will fail to make their projections with

    Eagle and just pull the plug, killing the product outright.

     

    I've just had a similar thing happen on the hardware side.  I use

    (used) an Atmel processor in our main product.  Before I made the

    selection. my factory rep assured me of at least a 10 year life.  That

    was 2011.

     

    Fast forward to a couple months ago.  MicroChip, Atmel's competitor,

    bought out Atmel.  About 2 weeks later I got an official end-of-life

    notice on my processor.  And they raised the price of the existing

    stock from less than $4 to $14.

     

    I chose a TI replacement processor, based mainly on their excellent

    support and price/performance ratio.  And to add icing to the cake,

    yesterday TI announced that they were freewaring all their development

    tools.

     

    Fortunately I have enough stock of Atmel processors to allow me to

    design a new board and port the software over.  The new board is being

    done in KiCAD.

     

    John

     

    John DeArmond

    http://www.neon-john.com

    http://www.tnduction.com

    Tellico Plains, Occupied TN

    See website for email address

     

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Neon John wrote on Sun, 22 January 2017 20:12

    On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:24:28 +0100, Joop <teuniz@gmail.com> wrote:

     

    I believe Autodesk will not pump money into Cadsoft for one or two

    years

    without getting enough

    revenue. They will either change back to the old license management

    system

    or they will sell

    Cadsoft (which opens the opportunity for the new owner to change

    the

    licensing system as well).

     

    Or most likely, Autodesk will fail to make their projections with

    Eagle and just pull the plug, killing the product outright.

     

     

    On the contrary, that's very unlikely. If they pull the plug, they will

    sell it for sure.

    If not, all their investments will be lost. When they sell it, they will

    get back

    at least a part of their money.

     

     

     

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Am 23.01.2017 um 08:36 schrieb Joop:

    On the contrary, that's very unlikely. If they pull the plug, they will

    sell it for sure.

     

    But who will be interested in buying a ruined product?

     

    If not, all their investments will be lost. When they sell it, they will

    get back

    at least a part of their money.

     

    If there is no buyer, this is a good reason to pull the plug some time

    sooner, to not let costs sum up.

     

    Rene

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Am 23.01.2017 um 08:36 schrieb Joop:

    On the contrary, that's very unlikely. If they pull the plug, they will

    sell it for sure.

     

    But who will be interested in buying a ruined product?

     

    If not, all their investments will be lost. When they sell it, they will

    get back

    at least a part of their money.

     

    If there is no buyer, this is a good reason to pull the plug some time

    sooner, to not let costs sum up.

     

    Rene

     

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    DipTrace looks like a good replacement and the prise structure is not forbidding to small businesses. Video Guided Tour

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    Angelos Gonias wrote on Mon, 23 January 2017 11:05

    DipTrace looks like a good replacement and the prise structure is not

    forbidding to small businesses. Video Guided Tour

    (http://diptrace.com/support/video-guided-tour/)

     

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    DipTrace looks impressive.

     

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  • s.j.dickinson
    s.j.dickinson over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    DipTrace looks good, however I note that their does not appear to be a

    Linux version.

     

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    Stephen

     

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    On 23/01/2017 11:05, rbtx99 wrote:

    DipTrace looks like a good replacement and the prise structure is not forbidding to small businesses. Video Guided Tour (http://diptrace.com/support/video-guided-tour/)

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to s.j.dickinson

    Stephen Dickinson wrote:

     

    DipTrace looks good, however I note that their does not appear to be a Linux version.

    There isn't a native Mac version either. It just bundles up the windows version and runs under wine. Personally I don't want to use CAD tools that require things like wine to be able to operate as updates to wine have been known to break things. These days there are loads of cross platform frameworks that could be used so writing proprietary Windows code and relying on emulation for cross platform compatibility isn't great. It does mean that if you really must use DipTrace and you want to run it on Linux then it's probably possible to get it to run under wine.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    On 24/01/17 13:00, rachaelp wrote:

    It does mean that if you really must use DipTrace and you want to run it on Linux then it's probably possible to get it to run under wine.

    Their web site says it does work, as I recall, but that's not good

    enough for me, for precisely the same reason you gave.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    On 23.01.2017 12:05, rbtx99 wrote:

    DipTrace looks like a good replacement and the prise structure is not forbidding to small businesses. Video Guided Tour (http://diptrace.com/support/video-guided-tour/)

    Another option is Target 3001: http://www.ibfriedrich.com/en/index.html

    They even have Eagle import for schematics, boards and libraries.

    In Germany, Eagle and Target have been the main competitors in their

    segment for a long time already.

    The price structure is similar.

     

    Regards,

     

    Dietmar

     

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