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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Joop14 wrote:

     

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

     

    I have to think that not many EAGLE users would be in a position to take up that offer. Even with the 40% off its going to be over $5000 and that only comes with one year of support and updates. After the first year you'd need to pay another $1500/year for a maintenance contract for support and updates. If you don't keep up on maintenance payments you'd likely be stung for back payments if you ever did need to update so realistically, most professional users are going to want to take that option rather than risk getting stuck with a problem and having to find a lot of money to get back onto maintenance in a hurry.

     

    The people who will go for this would be those who were considering it anyway because they regularly do high end boards and the additional features of Altium would be a benefit but the full price was too much for them to swallow. For the majority of smaller companies the cost of Altium and the ongoing support cost is still likely too much. Yes Altium has some really nice features but EAGLE's really easy to use and can do moderately complex boards quickly and easy enough such that the step up to Altium isn't justified by the cost. If EAGLE adds better routing features then this need even for high end boards may be reduced.

     

    So for the $500/year for an EAGLE Premium subscription, I could buy this for at least 10 years for the equivalent of the promotional price of Altium and for that I get 10 years of support. If I factor in the cost of maintenance I could have 4 EAGLE seats for the same price as 1 Altium seat in that 10 year period. Now, I know there is an issue with no perpetual license but in one of Matt Berggrens posts he stated that they would give an equivalent v7 license to fall back on with v8 subscriptions and a promise to ensure that a design could always be saved in a completely v7 compliant format so we then have a way to use EAGLE perpetually (See here: https://www.element14.com/community/thread/58485/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion)

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Am 19.02.2017 um 10:50 schrieb Joop:

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    Great news, thanks for sharing!

     

    Rene

     

     

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Am 19.02.2017 um 16:56 schrieb rachaelp:

    ... but in one of Matt Berggrens posts he stated that they would

    give an equivalent v7 license to fall back on with v8 subscriptions

    and a promise to ensure that a design could always be saved in a

    completely v7 compliant format so we then have a way to use EAGLE

    perpetually

     

    A promise? Worth nothing.

     

    Rene

     

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Sun, 19 February 2017 16:56

    ... but in one of Matt Berggrens posts he stated that they would give

    an equivalent v7 license to fall back on with v8 subscriptions and a

    promise to ensure that a design could always be saved in a completely v7

    compliant format...

     

     

    Matt Berggrens also wrote that Eagle should not go subscription...

     

    technolomaniac wrote on Thu, 7 July 2016 02:01

    @Dave, it's not going subscription. So there. image At this stage, that

    isn't anywhere on my roadmap.

    Thought about it.  Decided against it.  Can I say that we will never in

    the life of any product

    do that?  No, of course not.

     

     

    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/msg977529/#msg977529

     

     

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote on Sun, 19 February 2017 16:56

    ... but in one of Matt Berggrens posts he stated that they would give

    an equivalent v7 license to fall back on with v8 subscriptions and a

    promise to ensure that a design could always be saved in a completely v7

    compliant format...

     

     

    Matt Berggrens also wrote that Eagle should not go subscription...

     

    technolomaniac wrote on Thu, 7 July 2016 02:01

    @Dave, it's not going subscription. So there. image At this stage, that

    isn't anywhere on my roadmap.

    Thought about it.  Decided against it.  Can I say that we will never in

    the life of any product

    do that?  No, of course not.

     

     

    http://www.eevblog.com/forum/eda/autodesk-buys-eagle/msg977529/#msg977529

     

     

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    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • drkirkby
    drkirkby over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    rachaelp wrote:


     

    I have to think that not many EAGLE users would be in a position to take up that offer. Even with the 40% off its going to be over $5000 and that only comes with one year of support and updates.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

    Since the special price is only for Eagle users, I wonder how Altrium are going to verify if someone has a valid Eagle license?

     

    Eagle users moving to KiCad seems a much more likely move, as Eagle and Altrium are aimed at different markets.

     

    My accountant suggested some time ago that I used KashFlow

    https://www.kashflow.com/

    for my company accounts. KashFlow is online based, so you only have access when their servers are working, and whilst they support the product. You don't install any software on the PC.

    Basically, you can are stuffed if KashFlow goes belly up. I would not use software like that. I would not mind paying a monthly fee for access to a game, but PCB software or accounts software are definitely not something I would consider renting.

     

    My accountant also suggested another package (I forget which), which just runs on a PC. In the end we agreed to use GnuCash

     

    https://www.gnucash.org/

     

    which is free and open-source.

     

    Dave

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to Joop14

    On 19.02.2017 10:50, Joop wrote:

    http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/altium-designer/

     

    It was just a matter of time...

     

     

    Well the market provides what the customer demands... If not from

    Autodesk then from someone else...

     

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I use both Altium and Eagle, professionally, and both have advantages and disadvantages.   I'll continue to use my perpetual license for Eagle 7, and when that no longer works for me I will re-evaluate.

     

    Altium not an option for hobbyists.   With what it costs for a perpetual license from Altium, you could pay for 20 years of subscription fees to Eagle. 

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to sauerwald

    Hi,

     

    not the price is the problem.

     

    The problem is that after expiring the license period the license quality will falling back to the free version.

    The free version has 80cm² with two layers, the standard version has 160cm² with 4 layers (since V8.0.1),

    the premium version has unlimited dimension with 16 layers.

     

    So you can select between free version, or free version after one year,

    or free version after one month if you have a monthly subscription. image

     

    That's the problem. That's the game of Kiddy Kit Cats, the Eagle will be a toy.

     

    Gerald

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Hi Gerald,

     

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    The problem is that after expiring the license period the license quality will falling back to the free version.

     

    Yes this will happen with the v8 version when the license expires but you can always go back to v6/v7.

     

    In another thread (here: https://www.element14.com/community/thread/58485/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion) it is stated that there is the intention given to provide equivalent legacy v7 licenses with an EAGLE v8 subscription and ensure v8 can export a v7 compatible file. The exact details of what subscription term earns a v7 license isn't given and nothing has been mentioned on this outside of this one post but if this happens then it's workable as v7 is still capable, it just won't have the latest v8 routing features available.

     

    Here is a copy of the pertinent section from that post:

     

     

    Matt Berggren wrote:

     

    8) We will continue to make all legacy and new versions available for download.

    9) We will provide you a license of an earlier, Cadsoft version of EAGLE with the purchase of subscription (this is as-is, with no support implied...it will match your current tier...some work to make sure we get this right just yet, but it's coming).

    10). We'll look to build an exporter to the legacy version 6 format and ensure, for the first time, backwards compatibility.

     

    I know it's not as good as the option to have a perpetual v8 license but I don't think they are going to change their minds on this and for me being able to fall back to v7 is workable.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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