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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • bvwj
    bvwj over 8 years ago

    If you (Autodesk) are interested in my position on the license changes please follow me on a thought experiment.

     

    Imagine I run a medium sized software development company producing graphical software used to develop GUI elements.  Now imagine that in this parallel universe I was able to purchase the text editor / IDE / compiler system Autodesk has used to develop their software for the last 10 years.

     

    It should be clear where I am going, but perhaps I can add some additional insight.

     

    Obviously I update the licensing terms to a subscription model and require you to check in with my license server every two weeks.  I also require you to upgrade on my schedule and disallow use of non-current versions.

     

    Are you pleased with this new arrangement?

     

    Do any of these statements make you happy about this new arrangement (or even less angry)?

    1. The license will cost less than a cup of coffee each day per seat (for now).
    2. There is a free version where you can see all your source code (but you still have to check in with our server).  You can even edit the first 1000 lines!
    3. You can use the free version to compile executables smaller than 256MB. (As long as you don't sell those executables.)
    4. There will be exciting new features.  (Remember I also told you we wouldn't move to subscription.)
    5. You can cancel your subscriptions and re-subscribe as often as you like to reduce the overall cost.
    6. Overall this is going to save you money.  (But we won't even offer you the presumably more expensive legacy license terms.)
    7. We are going to integrate these tools with our other graphical development software. (Which you don't use.)
    8. The license system is fully functional and has no bugs so stop complaining about the license system.
    9. Microsoft and Adobe have very successful subscription operations.
    10. There may be ways for awhile to use the any newly developed source code with your previously licensed tool set version. (We won't sell any more licenses of that old version.)

     

    I expect you are frightened by my mythical company's attempt to control a key aspect of your development process.  Take a breath.  Keep in mind that in this parallel universe there exist free development tools that may require some training.  There are also much more capable tools that cost more but whose licensing leaves you much more in control of your destiny.

     

    Would Autodesk sign up for my subscription offering?

     

    One more exercise:

     

    Now you are not Autodesk.  Imagine you are a small startup, a hobbyist, or a company who only develops software part time in support of other products.   Should I expect any of these other customers to embrace my new licensing model for my software development tools?

     

    Now we are back.  You are Autodesk and I was your customer.  I hope you can see why I will never give you this control over my business.

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to bvwj

    imageYep, image fully agree!

    GOOOOAAL!!! - which gate? ....  image

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to bvwj

    imageYep, image fully agree!

    GOOOOAAL!!! - which gate? ....  image

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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