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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
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  • e14candies
    e14candies over 8 years ago

    posted :  Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

     

    Why would it not happen?  What would prevent it?  Autodesk is giving upon

    Eagle business already?? I'm not sure what the difficulty Autodesk has in

    reverting to the standard Eagle license.  They can still offer a

    subscription.

     

    This should probably be moved up the chain of command at Autodesk or its

    board members--if they hear that many many customers are getting more &

    more upset with Autodesk products, hindered development and not listening

    to customers, then they may be inclined to listen more attentively.

     

    There are many EDA news boards out there and the facts of how Eagle

    customers are being treated can be posted there as well.  They may want to

    consider what is happening with Eagle when evaluating it.

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to e14candies

    On 2/22/2017 7:46 PM, Hoyt wrote:

    posted :  Actually if I were to choose I would much prefer the old license

    model, but it is not going to happen

    Why would it not happen?  What would prevent it?  Autodesk is giving upon

    Eagle business already?? I'm not sure what the difficulty Autodesk has in

    reverting to the standard Eagle license.  They can still offer a

    subscription.

     

    Hello Hoyt,

     

    I hope you're having a good day. Autodesk is not giving up on EAGLE at

    all, that's why so much work . However Autodesk has almost 3 million

    subscribers of their software, so they have demonstrated that the model

    works and that there are a lot of customers who like the model.

     

    In order for Autodesk to back off of this subscription for

    everything(Every Autodesk product has moved to subscription for new

    licenses) model a substantial portion of those 3 million subscribers

    would have to drop out.

     

    So your reasoning while sound doesn't take into account that Autodesk is

    much larger than just EAGLE and it's extremely unlikely that they would

    make an exception just for us. It's not about a technical challenge,

    it's about Autodesk wanting a uniform model across all of it's products.

     

    That's why in this and in other forums, I've been informing users not to

    expect a change in the licensing model. This isn't Farnell, Autodesk is

    a software company and they have carefully calculated what they are

    getting into by making this switch.

     

    I hope this clarifies the situation.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Am 23.02.2017 um 18:29 schrieb Jorge Garcia:

    So your reasoning while sound doesn't take into account that Autodesk is

    much larger than just EAGLE and it's extremely unlikely that they would

    make an exception just for us. It's not about a technical challenge,

    it's about Autodesk wanting a uniform model across all of it's products.

     

    So it was meant to go subscription from the very beginning. You were

    intentionally misleading us. Applause!

     

    Thank you very much!

     

     

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Jorge,

     

    at the subscription bindings, is there no discount between 1 to 3 years of bindings?

    EAGLE Subscription | Buy Autodesk EAGLE | Autodesk

    The monthly subscription is most expensive, then by one year we get discount, after that nothing?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    Hi Jorge,

     

    at the subscription bindings, is there no discount between 1 to 3 years of bindings?

    EAGLE Subscription | Buy Autodesk EAGLE | Autodesk

    The monthly subscription is most expensive, then by one year we get discount, after that nothing?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

    ---

    I was wondering that too.... I'd also like it if the discount for existing v7 subscribers was able to be applied to the 3 year subscription and not just the 1 year subscription which I think is the current limitation, although I am not sure as I never received any details of the arrangement. As far as I am concerned there should be incentives for buying a 3 year subscription, after all you are giving Autodesk more money up front so there should be some pay back for that....

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Yes, and we have the next fundamental problem: 30 day money back guaranty.

    But, what happens if i wish to unsubscribe after two month, or half year, year (by 3 y subs.) ....

    get i back the rest of unused money?

    That's a lot of money what i lose...

     

    Gerald

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    Yes, and we have the next fundamental problem: 30 day money back guaranty.

    But, what happens if i wish to unsubscribe after two month, or half year, year (by 3 y subs.) ....

    get i back the rest of unused money?

    That's a lot of money what i lose...

     

    Gerald

    ---

    I think if you are thinking you might want to cancel after 2 months then then 1 or 3 year subscriptions are probably not right for you.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Quote:

    So your reasoning while sound doesn't take into account that Autodesk

    is much larger than just EAGLE and it's extremely unlikely that they

    would make an exception just for us.

     

    As I observed in

    http://www.eaglecentral.ca/index.php/mv/msg/52902/169544/d2cdb3a59e8b8ccb66baa40198073e53/#msg_169544,

    "EAGLE is now just another tool from a big corporation".

     

    Quote:

    Autodesk has almost 3 million subscribers of their software, so they

    have demonstrated that the model works and that there are a lot of

    customers who like the model.

     

    I would have thought there were a lot more than 3 million.  There are "more

    than 4 million engineers in the EAGLE online PCB community" alone.  See

    http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/features/online-pcb-community

     

    Quote:

    Features

    Connect with the largest online PCB community

    Get the answers you need and learn along the way from more than 4

    million engineers in the EAGLE online PCB community.

     

    I'm not saying Autodesk is evil, I just think it's big and impersonal and

    that's a huge change for us EAGLE people.  We're just x number out of

    3,000,000 at Autodesk, where we used to be x of x at Cadsoft.  Sigh...

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    On 2/23/2017 12:59 PM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    at the subscription bindings, is there no discount between 1 to 3 years of bindings?

    EAGLE Subscription | Buy Autodesk EAGLE | Autodesk (http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/subscribe)

    The monthly subscription is most expensive, then by one year we get discount, after that nothing?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

    ---

     

    --

    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/216671

     

     

    Hi Gerald,

     

    I hope you're doing well. I got some information about this. What I was

    instructed to do is to have any customers with pricing questions go here:

    https://knowledge.autodesk.com/contact-support/purchases-returns/buying-autodesk-software

     

    Pricing at Autodesk is handled by a totally different department, so any

    such inquiries have to go through them.

     

    That's all of the info I have.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    On 2/23/2017 12:59 PM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hi Jorge,

     

    at the subscription bindings, is there no discount between 1 to 3 years of bindings?

    EAGLE Subscription | Buy Autodesk EAGLE | Autodesk (http://www.autodesk.com/products/eagle/subscribe)

    The monthly subscription is most expensive, then by one year we get discount, after that nothing?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

    ---

     

    --

    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/216671

     

     

    Hi Gerald,

     

    I hope you're doing well. I got some information about this. What I was

    instructed to do is to have any customers with pricing questions go here:

    https://knowledge.autodesk.com/contact-support/purchases-returns/buying-autodesk-software

     

    Pricing at Autodesk is handled by a totally different department, so any

    such inquiries have to go through them.

     

    That's all of the info I have.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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