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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 9 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • Joop14
    Joop14 over 9 years ago

    Future of Eagle...

     

    https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/bim-360-glue-forum/bim-360-is-currently-unavailable-please-try-again-later/td-p/6909972

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Karel

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 9 years ago in reply to Joop14

    Probably the outage was related to this...

     

     

    Amazon typo knocked websites offline - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39151932

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    Amazon typo knocked websites offline - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-39151932 (https://www.element14.com/community/external-link.jspa?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Ftechnology-39151932)

     

    Of course with THEM this is never going to happen.... Also EAGLE

    never is going to be subscription...

     

    Markus

     

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  • macegr
    macegr over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    If I have to pay a certain amount every month to keep it alive, don't know if it'll be around 5-10-15 years in the future (but certainly not forever), have to accept its somewhat awkward and silly nature, and have to clean up after its accidents occasionally, I'll just go get a real dog.

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to dukepro

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

     

    Hey Chuck,

     

    To be perfectly honest, I wish you did have a dog in this race. I've

    always appreciated your participation on the forums and your insights,

    but anyway that's a different matter.

     

    This situation has been observed under linux and it is something that is

    being looked into actively. Haven't heard of it on Windows I'll go ahead

    and update the report we have on this issue.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • dukepro
    dukepro over 9 years ago in reply to burner

    On 03/09/2017 03:22 PM, Burner . wrote:

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

     

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

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    dukepro over 9 years ago in reply to burner

    On 03/09/2017 03:22 PM, Burner . wrote:

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

     

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

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    burner over 9 years ago in reply to dukepro

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

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    burner over 9 years ago in reply to dukepro

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

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    macegr over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    If I have to pay a certain amount every month to keep it alive, don't know if it'll be around 5-10-15 years in the future (but certainly not forever), have to accept its somewhat awkward and silly nature, and have to clean up after its accidents occasionally, I'll just go get a real dog.

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    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to dukepro

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

     

    Hey Chuck,

     

    To be perfectly honest, I wish you did have a dog in this race. I've

    always appreciated your participation on the forums and your insights,

    but anyway that's a different matter.

     

    This situation has been observed under linux and it is something that is

    being looked into actively. Haven't heard of it on Windows I'll go ahead

    and update the report we have on this issue.

     

    Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

    --

    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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    dukepro over 9 years ago in reply to burner

    On 03/09/2017 03:22 PM, Burner . wrote:

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

     

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

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    dukepro over 9 years ago in reply to burner

    On 03/09/2017 03:22 PM, Burner . wrote:

    I'm missing something... Why would Windows 10 change the MAC address?

     

    Oh... wait, I see. Sometimes you're connected to the Internet via a

    cable (one interface), sometimes through WiFi (another interface), or

    vpn (yet another interface). Depending on what you're using at the

    time, the MAC address for the /active/ connection may be different than

    what it was for a /previous/ connection.

     

    As for windows jumping interfaces up and down quite a lot, then perhaps

    you've chosen the wrong operating system, and not necessarily the wrong

    ECAD package. Something to consider, anyway.

    I think these days it is quite basic thing that some days you use your computer at wired connection and some times you have only wifi. Some times you do not have neither. Anyway if licence manager take identification from active NIC MAC it means that this whole 14 day heard beat thing is useless. Because when you drop your wifi to offline it is not active card any more and it will disable licence. Do they really thing that users will carry dummy wifi AP without uplink with them for workaround =)

     

    Activity as you describe is very true.  As soon as someone goes from

    hardline to WiFi, they could be toast.

     

    Perhaps this would be a good one to hand off to support?  What do you

    say, Jorge?  Are you able to verify this?

     

    I can't complain too much since I don't have a dog in this race for

    other reasons.

     

    Best regards,

        - Chuck

     

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