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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 9 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • geralds
    geralds over 9 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Hi,

     

    Please do not tear from the context.

     

    Gerald

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to Jan Cumps

    Jan Cumps wrote:

     

    So why do I have to pay what I do not need forever?

    Isn't this what the new license policy allowes you to do?

    Yes it is! When you don't need Premium, you drop down to Standard. If you are between projects and don't need to update boards for a few months because you are busy doing other things then you cancel your subscription, but you can still view, print, export your designs from the Freeware license. If you need to make an edit you pay up again.... If you take somebody on for a short term, say a few months so need an extra license just for that period, that's easy and you cancel it after they're done so you don't end up with another license you don't need. It all seems very flexible to me....

     

    Having said that, I do think they should add a level between Standard and Premium. Maybe the DIN A4 size Gerald is referring to would be a good size to go for, although maybe not 16 layers. Actually, honestly how many times does 16 layers actually get used? I've done some seriously complex boards and not gone past 10 layers. The only board I have seen with more layers was a 20-layer backplane board in an Aerospace application....

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  • geralds
    geralds over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest


    Hi,

     

    Yes i calculated this too last month.

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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    I just found out that Circuit Studio maintenance costs $150 a year.  With

    the current promotion, that makes it $5 cheaper than EAGLE Premium the

    first year, but then $350 cheaper than EAGLE every year after that.  Even

    without the promotional pricing, the break-even point is just over two

    years.  32 layers, unlimited board size, perpetual license, cheaper than

    EAGLE.  What's not to like?

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  • Jan Cumps
    Jan Cumps over 9 years ago in reply to geralds
    So why do I have to pay what I do not need forever?

    Isn't this what the new license policy allowes you to do?

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  • geralds
    geralds over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael,

     

    i don't see problems with that.

    rachaelp wrote:

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    ! Most important: the license keeps in the last state of the paid category, and for the standard dimension a DIN A4 format with 16 layers .

    With your suggestion somebody could pay $65 for a one month Premium subscription and then cancel and they would be able to use that Premium version forever. That's not financially viable for Autodesk (or any other company) to do a tool like this with that licensing model.

     

    Taking this further, your suggestion of DIN A4 format and 16 layer for $10/month would pretty much wipe out all sales on Premium as those restrictions would probably cover the majority of users design requirements so they wouldn't need the Premium level. I'd love this amount in Standard but I think this is exceedingly unlikely!

     

    If he don't like more updates, well .... You can not press the customers with a "knife".

    But this license policy makes this.

     

    Well, the DIN A4 is more flexible to use.
    E. g.: Mostly I work on Eurocards 160x100 mm (3U) or double Eurocards 160x233,3mm (6U).
    Then a full backplane I can not create because it is bigger than A4. Yes, I will pay for a premium version.
    I will pay it as long as the project lasts, or even longer.
    But not if I never use it.
    Practically always I only work with up to double Euro cards. So why do I have to pay what I do not need forever?
    Creating a backplane is a rare project.

     

    Autodesk says "flexible" --- is this flexible what we just got? absolut no.

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 9 years ago in reply to drkirkby

    David Kirkby wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 15:49

    • Altium

    Switch from Eagle PCB

    (http://www.altium.com/eagle-switch/circuitstudio/)

     

    I just found out that Circuit Studio maintenance costs $150 a year.  With

    the current promotion, that makes it $5 cheaper than EAGLE Premium the

    first year, but then $350 cheaper than EAGLE every year after that.  Even

    without the promotional pricing, the break-even point is just over two

    years.  32 layers, unlimited board size, perpetual license, cheaper than

    EAGLE.  What's not to like?

     

    Quote:

    There does not appear to be any fall in the Autodesk share price - in

    fact, it is almost as high as it has ever been. So I guess shareholders

    are not objecting.

     

    Shareholders usually know nothing of the customer; many only look at the

    reports generated by a company itself...

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • geralds
    geralds over 9 years ago in reply to rachaelp

    Hi Rachael,

     

    sorry, but hoping (also hopping and dancing) and praying we can do it in the church.

    In business we have concrete facts.

     

    The fact is that, if Autodesk has a disaster in its territory, for example earthquake or internal political problems in the company,

    millions of users can also close their company or minimum their software.
    Then we all have the huge problem of fixing the billions of damage, with all sorts of court actions.
    If we both have a local problem, others are not affected.
    If other clients have their problems then we are both not affected by these local problems.

    This is the next big problem with such a kind of licensing policy.
    These are facts, not belief or hope.
    The license is broken!


    If the employee is terminated by the support, or is no longer available to us, what is the matter with a licensing policy for us?

    What do employees have with licenses? Are the licenses nailed on their trousers or shirts?

    These people are not Autodesk, though?
    How many servers does Autodesk have on the planet?


    We have been waiting four years for a serious and well-functioning software update.
    I have not V7 pro, but only V6.xx. pro, because the V7 is a scrap.
    So I wanted to skip V7 and I've always told Cadsoft, synonymous I have written this in the German and English forums.
    Now with Autodesk, the promised number 8 is here, but with the same weak uptrend.
    And come all the time with hopes and prayers .. I can do that in the church, not in the business market.

    You must be able to continue working if Autodesk does not update the software.
    Otherwise hell is going on, and all this on the whole planet.

    Just because Autodesk has a subscription philosophy ... well, this is a "hard tobacco" ...
    Should productivity remain stuck on a global scale?

     

    Best Regards,

    Gerald

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  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 9 years ago in reply to techsupport

    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto:

    The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE.

    Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they

    were not done in the first place.

     

    Good! Said that, please, fix the license!

    The license isn't broken, nothing to fix there.  The majority of users prefer a better designing experience and that's what the team will continue doing.

    Best Regards,

    Ed

     

    Mmmhhhh....

     

    Is seems that 90% of posts in this formum are related to the licence

    model instead other topics, this means that:

     

    1) The license is a concern;

    2) Users (me too) are asking you to review the license model.

     

    I just said I am a long term user (schematiclayoutautorouter pro), I

    just said that I had planned to upgrade to V8, I just said that I

    dropped it due the new license model.

    In my decision schema your license model enters as a FALSE in a final

    logic AND, so the definitive decision is always FALSE: not upgrade! This

    despite the features you plan to add and also the price.

    Again, I can accept a yearly maintenance model, I can not accept a

    subscription model. Maybe the only valid reason that Autodesk understand

    is the revenue instead users requests like this...

    I am not in a hurry, so I can wait and evaluating alternatives for the

    next months, maybe an year, then, if nothing changes, I have to say

    goodbye and good luck.

    I am angry, very angry, because I invested time and efforts (libraries,

    ULPs and so on) and I will have to rebuild all in another tool. Eagle is

    not a new product build from scratch, there is a users, like me, base

    who have choosen it for the feature but also for the license: to buy an

    existing company/product and to change policies at this level is like to

    be an elephant and to enter in a glassware... It is legal, but it is

    also absolutely unfair.

    So, in my perspective, license is broken and makes the product unusable.

     

    Best regards

     

    Alberto

     

     

     

     

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  • rachaelp
    rachaelp over 9 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Doug Wellington wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 22:37

    rachaelp wrote on Tue, 21 February 2017 14:31

    The people most negatively affected at the moment are people who

    previously had the non-commercial Maker license, that currently has no

    viable alternative so they have a legitimate reason to be disappointed

    as they have no equivalent path to v8.

     

    I own a perpetual license of EAGLE, schematic, board and autorouter.  I

    think you and I are both waiting for some period of time to see if there

    is any reason that we should consider a subscription.  During that time,

    Autodesk might or might not create something wonderful that we have to

    have.  We'll see.

     

    I'm from the small business/DIY/hobby world and I'm a programmer by

    trade.  I understand that Autodesk needs to make money from EAGLE and

    make it fit in with the rest of their product line.  On one hand, I hope

    that EAGLE grows into the full-fledged product that it might be.  On the

    other, I am now in a period of mourning because the old EAGLE and the

    community that surrounded it has been fractured and is probably gone

    forever.

     

    Yes, EAGLE itself is still as functional as it has ever been.  Yes, the

    subscription pricing is probably reasonable.  But for me, and I think for

    others, buying a copy of EAGLE (even though it's effectively only a

    license to use the software) gave us a sense of ownership, of buy-in to a

    pretty cool club.  Autodesk is too big to ever be that.  (Not their

    fault.)  That old club has been disbanded.  EAGLE is now just another

    tool from a big corporation.  Some day Jorge and Ed won't be the main

    support team any more and the transition will be complete.

     

    Yes, it's mainly emotions, but the people I used to share tips, tricks,

    scripts, and designs with are all angry and looking to switch to other

    products.  Like seeing an ex on the street, every time I start EAGLE, it

    reminds me of the way things used to be and that things are different

    now.

     

    This too shall pass...

     

     

    Hi Doug,

     

    Yes I agree with you, the worst thing for me is what this licensing change

    has done to the community. There is far less general chatter on these

    forums, I rarely see posts from some of the previous long time users

    anymore and I do find this very sad. We'll just have to see how things turn

    out I guess, I'm hoping once the dust settles some of the original long

    time members of these forums will start to visit again.... I hope so, their

    experience is valuable and their help was always appreciated....

     

    I'm hoping Jorge, Ed and Richard (haven't seen him on here for a while!)

    will be around for the foreseeable future so it's not all change. I suspect

    any new tech support people will be on the Autodesk official forums rather

    than here though.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

     

     

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 9 years ago in reply to brentbolton

    Forgotten in this discussion about license models is the perspective that we as users have put a lot of effort into developing expertise using EagleCAD. And for many of us, our livelihood is dependent on that expertise. With your subscription model you have, in effect, take that expertise hostage,

     

    Exactly. If EAGLE 8 was totally free but needed to connect every two weeks to activate I would still not use it. If Autodesk paid me $500 a year... I would still not use it. If they ever realise that they may have a successful business.

     

    As for the effort on developing expertise... it is not a big deal as one may think. I was hesitant changing to another brand of microcomputers and it was a few months of pain to get back to speed but now it is all past me and I look back and I blame myself for not doing it sooner. Jumping ship from EAGLE for me is now certainty. The only question is what to jump to that is best for my needs.

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