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Eagle v8 licensing...

technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    warrenbrayshaw wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:23

    That's a good point.

     

    I would keep v7.7. available. It will likely be good for viewing new

    designs done in Autodesk Eagle, for a while at least. One would need to

     

    verify that.

     

     

    My guess is that already reusable design blocks will break backwards

    compatibility, perhaps you can avoid it by not using the feature.

     

    I can imagine that it won't take long for other less avoidable format

    changes to turn up, for example updates to the footprint file format.

     

    warrenbrayshaw wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:23

    We need to understand if the Autodesk freeware version (at least)

    stores

    a file that can be backed up and restored with a rebuild, that does not

     

    require going online.

     

     

    I agree, a good question, although I think I'm personally moving on from

    this strategy. It is all too risky.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Design blocks are a completely unique file type (also XML) and when placed, do not affect the current file format at all so nothing will change as yet but it may be the sort of things which changes over time.  We have also agreed internally to build an exporter to legacy (v7) EAGLE to help quell the fears of legacy users...this is on our roadmap for this year. 

     

    Regarding freeware, as I stated in the Autodesk forums, the next release (probably a week or two away, 8.0.1) will only check the license once when you install and then anytime that you upgrade the tools to a subsequent version.

     

    best regards,

     

    matt

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Quote:

    Design blocks are a completely unique file type (also XML) and when

    placed, do not affect the current file format at all so nothing will

    change as yet but it may be the sort of things which changes over time.

     

    Will you be publishing the spec/dtd for that file type?

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to Justynb

    It is not even a question. Online activation is way too risky. I've been using EAGLE as a hobbyist since I was 17 years old and for more than 10 years as a business. There is absolutely no way I am putting my entire life's work on the hands of Autodesk. I want a license/activation key I can use on any computer I please now and any time in the future. If Autodesk can't provide someone else will.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    On 28/01/2017 11:16 a.m., Matt Berggren wrote:

     

    ...... Regarding freeware, as I stated in the Autodesk forums, the next release (probably a week or two away, 8.0.1) will only check the license once when you install and then anytime that you upgrade the tools to a subsequent version.

     

    best regards,

     

    matt

     

     

     

     

    Hi Matt

    Now there's the problem, which I confess to overlooking previously.

     

    If you have to rebuild your PC and the internet validation is not

    available at that time, you cannot even use the freeware version as

    currently you would need to go on-line to validate it once.

     

    I suggest you change things so that when you seek to download the

    software for the first time you need to have previously registered with

    Autodesk. That gives your company the metrics of who is downloading etc.

    Once that is done once you can download the product and it, as freeware

    restricted , does not have to revalidate unless you wish to obtain

    updates later than that initial package.

     

    With A PC rebuild you would simply reinstall the package you initially

    downloaded and you would be up and running on the freeware version.

    Hence no dependency on an internet connection or licensee validation

    infrastructure at all at that time.

     

    HTH

    Warren

     

    --

    ... use NNTP://news.cadsoft.de and a functional news reader like

    Thunderbird!

    ... or http://www.eaglecentral.ca browser access to CadSoft EAGLE

    support forums.

     

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    We will.  Yes.

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  • techsupport
    techsupport over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi,

    The dtd file is in the EAGLE\DOC folder.

    Ed

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  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in AutoDesk?

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License Recommendation".

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    Thank you very much

    Best Regards

    Gerald

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    On 2/1/2017 2:09 AM, Gerald Schwarz wrote:

    Hello Ed,

     

    1) who is Matt Berggren? Where he is working, employed in AutoDesk?

     

    He is the director of EAGLE and a few other products here at Autodesk.

    He is the man at the helm of EAGLE and any decisions related to EAGLE

    now go through him. He's also a part of the community as an engineer and

    designer.

     

    You can find out more about him here:

    http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/user/viewprofilepage/user-id/3659220

     

    For his projects check out technolomaniac on hackaday.io

    https://hackaday.io/matt

     

    2) I wrote an answer to Matt here in this thread "EAGLE License Recommendation (/message/213959/l/eagle-license-recommendat-ion#213959)".

    https://www.element14.com/community/update-advanced-comment.jspa?id=214891

     

    What is now true?

     

    This is where we stand now. EAGLE is going full subscription, we have as

    of right now free, standard and premium tiers.

     

    Here are what each offers (I'm excluding free because you made clear in

    the other post that you didn't care about free).

     

    Standard

    160cm^2 area(no longer fixed), 4 Layers(page will be corrected to

    reflect this it currently says 2 layers), 99 sheets.

    For $100/year or $15/month.

     

    Premium

    Unlimited area(EAGLE technically can't do more that 4m x 4m because of

    how it represents points in space. No one makes a single board that

    big), 16 layers, 999 sheets.

    For $500/year or $65/month.

     

    EAGLE will be releasing updates far more frequently. We are looking at

    somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-9 updates per year. Just in January

    we are looking at 2 releases.

     

    We will no longer be waiting for major releases to release new features.

    New features will be released throughout the year.

     

    If the subscription expires, EAGLE will fall back to free mode. You can

    still review your designs and generate manufacturing data. You just

    won't be able to modify it outside the limits of the free version.

     

    The group command is by default active and setup to behave in a more

    familiar way compared to how other tools use their selection functions.

    If you want the old behavior back you can click Options > Set > Misc

    uncheck the Group default on option. This will make group behave just

    like you are used to.

     

    I think that covers everything you asked in the other post but let me

    know if that is not the case.

     

     

    Thank you very much

    Best Regards

    Gerald

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    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/214851

     

     

    Hi Gerald,

     

    See my comments inline above. Let me know if there's anything else I can

    do for you.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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  • Justynb
    Justynb over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    Hi Jorge,

     

    Could you please confirm one way or the other whether it will be made

    possible to install Eagle in free mode without an internet connection?

     

    This is important for long term contingency planning.

     

    Thanks.

    --

    EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

     

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