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technolomaniac
technolomaniac over 8 years ago

Hi All --

 

Moving this to a separate thread so it doesn't get lost in the ether.  Here's my two cents on licensing and I'd love your feedback:

 

Firstly, the Autodesk licensing model is subscription and the EAGLE paid license will require that you install the SW and then generate an account to retrieve your license entitlement.  Once you have this, you are good to go and the SW will run as expected.  If you lose your network connection, the SW has a 14-day heartbeat that will enable you to work offline for 14 days.  I know that some folks would prefer to never have to connect, but this is required to support a monthly subscription model that can be selectively enabled and disabled when you use the SW (so you only pay when you use it).  The total cost of ownership for those folks using it less than a few weeks a year will thus be substantially lower and still enables you to access the full software for less money.  <Insert revolt here>  image

 

WRT to "what happens if autodesk decides to one day just shut off the license server?" ...ok, sure, that's possible, but so is a reality TV star becoming President of the..cough...nevermind, bad example.

 

Point is, that's a pretty remote possibility (think: time travel and alien invasions) and it wouldn't benefit us *at all* to upset the users we just spent real money hoping to bring into autodesk and earn their business.  As the guy with both development and P&L for the product, I can tell you that it's counterintuitive and wouldn't benefit us at all.  We know this.  We make SW used by governments, movie studios, game developers, MEs, Civil Engineers, machinists, etc. and you can bet that shutting down a license server is not to our benefit in any of these categories.  To demonstrate this behavior in one category, without a path for user SW and data, calls into question ALL of our tools' viability under this model.  Not helpful.

 

Now...a question was raised about "but what if I drop my subscription and I want my data".  Awesome, the data is yours and lives on your machine.  And for SW that stores data in the cloud (we have some of these) we always provide a path to your data.  If this again fails with one product, it puts all of the others up for discussion.  Again, not helpful.  (Read:  strategy = doomed).

 

"So what about needing an entitlement for the freeware to open the data I created in another version (a *paid* version) and reading it?  What if I want access and I dont want the 14-day time out?"

 

So here's the deal...We can do better here.  So we will.  Here's my commitment to the group here for freeware that ensures you always have a license that you can fall back on without need of internet connection *except when you first install it* (which after all, you would have had to get it in the first place):  in version 8.1 or 8.0.1 or whathaveyou (let's call it 'a future release'), if you install the SW and authenticate once, we'll remove the timer req.  So what I'm saying another way is, the freeware will require you to login the first time to get your license, but if you log out beyond that, you're good.  You got your entitlement and you can use it freely without connection.

 

Caveat:  to install an update, you will need to login.  The update server (which issues the new version...e.g. 8.1 or 8.2. or 8.0.1, etc.) requires that you login and get the update, but beyond that, logout.  Thus if you want to go off-grid in a mountain cabin somewhere, get your license at Starbucks (blagh! I understand they have 'free' wifi, but no frappucinos!  ...that stuff is bad for you) then get your license and go on your merry way up to the snow drenched peaks.  When you hear from the other mountaineers or your local yodeler that a new version of EAGLE is available...download, login, get your license, get your 'decaf double-pump vanilla non-fat latte macchiato' and head back up the slopes.

 

Point being, we can do the freeware better.  So we will.

 

Hope this is clear.  Let us know if you have questions!

 

Best regards,

 

Matt Berggren

Director - Autodesk

@technolomaniac

hackaday.io/matt

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  • COMPACT
    COMPACT over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest +4
    Not to worry, it's back to the Drawing board for me.
  • shabaz
    shabaz over 8 years ago +3
    Hi Matt, When will the EAGLE Maker version (or another solution for hobbiests) be v8-ready? I see the subscription for 'EAGLE Standard' and 'EAGLE Premium' are now available on the website, but not EAGLE…
  • albertovignati
    albertovignati over 8 years ago in reply to techsupport +3
    Il 21/02/2017 22:54, Ed Robledo ha scritto: The customers are the sole driving force to the improvements to EAGLE. Some of these 'wants' take time to be done right, that's the reason they were not done…
  • geralds
    geralds over 8 years ago in reply to electrooptical

    Hi,

     

    Yes, it is true. I also do not love what AutoDesk do.

    But currently I can not switch to another tool.

    I am from PCAD, Protel, Altium Designer ..

    .. I have no money to pay 1000e ... EUR every year plus support over 1000 / y.

    My last PCAD was 2001 (cost 10000 EUR) plus 1200 EUR support (2001-2003).

    Now the Altium Designer costs 6000 EUR; Altium Circuit Maker about 1200 EUR, or more ...

    Mr. Friedrich laughs.

    http://www.ibfriedrich.com/en/index.html#productsPage

    - is a direct contest to Eagle.

    Where should I go? - if you have already set up all the tools, has been optimized, depends on its customers ..

    Eagle is not used every day, so it is even more difficult.

    We also program μController, build modules, but are few employees.

     

    Eagle is a fine European product, now it was nibbled with a bargain billing.

     

    Gerald

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  • electrooptical
    electrooptical over 8 years ago in reply to geralds

    Gerald Schwarz wrote:

     

    Hi,

     

    Yes, it is true. I also do not love what AutoDesk do.

     

     

    But currently I can not switch to another tool.

     

     

    I am from PCAD, Protel, Altium Designer ..

    .. I have no money to pay 1000e ... EUR every year plus support over 1000 / y.

     

    My last PCAD was 2001 (cost 10000 EUR) plus 1200 EUR support (2001-2003).

     

     

    Now the Altium Designer costs 6000 EUR; Altium Circuit Maker about 1200 EUR, or more ...

     

    Mr. Friedrich laughs.

    http://www.ibfriedrich.com/en/index.html#productsPage

    - is a direct contest to Eagle.

     

    Where should I go? - if you have already set up all the tools, has been optimized, depends on its customers ..

     

    Eagle is not used every day, so it is even more difficult.

    We also program μController, build modules, but are few employees.

     

    Eagle is a fine European product, now it was nibbled with a bargain billing.

     

    Gerald

    ---

    Well, Diptrace is from Ukraine, which is in Europe too, last time I checked.  (Of course Poland moved 100 miles west some years back, so I may be out of date.)

     

    Diptrace will import your existing Eagle files, including libraries.

     

    But for most purposes, just sticking with Eagle 6/7 is good enough.Plus that way you can archive the tool along with the design.

     

    Cheers

     

    Phil Hobbs

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago

    Have you guys at Autodesk noticed that Sparkfun and Adafruit moved to KiCad? You can pretty much kiss the hobby and Arduino markets goodbye.

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  • autodeskguest
    autodeskguest over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    On 2/17/2017 6:37 AM, rbtx99 wrote:

    Have you guys at Autodesk noticed that Sparkfun and Adafruit moved to KiCad? You can pretty much kiss the hobby and Arduino markets goodbye.

     

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    To view any images and attachments in this post, visit:

    https://www.element14.com/community/message/216022

     

     

    Hello rbtx99,

     

    Could you point me to the official releases from Sparkfun and Adafruit

    stating this?

     

    I haven't heard anything official related to a move to Kicad.

     

    Thank you in advanced.

     

    Best Regards,

    Jorge Garcia

     

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    We have a new forum here <http://forums.autodesk.com>

     

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  • rbtx99
    rbtx99 over 8 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I happen to land on the Sparkfun website earlier and noticed that some new products have KiCad schematics. You can check it out yourself. From curiosity I googled it and found a thread mentioning that Adafruit are considering to go the same way due to customer demands. Unfortunately I can't easily find it again for you.

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  • techsupport
    techsupport over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    rbtx99 wrote:

     

    Have you guys at Autodesk noticed that Sparkfun and Adafruit moved to KiCad? You can pretty much kiss the hobby and Arduino markets goodbye.

     

    Hi,

    Adafruit has always mentioned KiCAD as an open source alternative, I couldn't find any official announcement that Sparkfun or Adafruit were transitioning to a specific program.  BTW: we will continue supporting a free version of EAGLE. With our latest update Educators and Students can get free access to the premium version.  Any links will be greatly appreciated.

    Best Regards,

    Ed

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to rbtx99

    What was the purpose of the post?  If you're trolling, can you take it elsewhere please and keep the conversation about EAGLE, how to use EAGLE, features of EAGLE, etc?  If you have a specific link other than "check the web for more details!" then great, it'd be good to see!  However in the absence of it, what are you telling us?  Did this discussion have something to do with EAGLE licensing?  Has your EAGLE license stopped working?  Are you using freeware or a paid license?  Feedback welcome. 

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  • bvwj
    bvwj over 8 years ago

    The purpose of that post was to get your attention.  Your license changes have likely destroyed your product.  You haven't listened to your small customers.  Adafruit and Sparkfun are concrete evidence from your bell cow customers.

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 8 years ago in reply to bvwj

    Thank you for the reply.  And my comment was simply that telegraphing your frustrations as a statement like that, without a link to the article, post, etc. is not productive.   We understand that for some percentage of users, the license changes were undesirable.  This is something that we've discussed in detail and we are doing *much* more than simply 'changing the licensing' with EAGLE. 

     

    The real value of eagle is around productivity in engineering and design, and we are improving productivity each and every day.  The features that are coming (obstacle avoidance in routing, better trace cleanup and alignment tools, push and shove & multitrack routing, bidirectional MCAD integration, better layer handling, improvements to libraries and component creation, etc.) will define the future of EAGLE far more than the licensing model. 

     

    Cheers,

     

    Matt - Autodesk.

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  • electrooptical
    electrooptical over 8 years ago in reply to technolomaniac

    Well, maybe there's a niche available between Kicad and Diptrace on one side and Altium on the other that you folks can move Eagle into.

     

    Best of luck with that--the SaaS model does seem to be alienating your existing user base pretty comprehensively, so hopefully there are lots of folks waiting in the wings to pounce on the new-improved versions.

     

    I wish you folks well, but I won't be along for the ride.

     

    Cheers

     

    Phil Hobbs

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