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EAGLE License Recommendat ion

autodeskguest
autodeskguest over 9 years ago

Hello Autodesk (specifically Matt),

 

In your last post about the path forward for EAGLE Make licenses, you

maintain that a "Paid" license (i.e. one that you are paying a subscription

for) will only function for 14 days without an internet connection.

 

I think that Autodesk has underestimated how much of an issue this will be,

especially for professional design houses.  These design houses are

important as they support, and encourage, EAGLE to be used in a

professional manner.  The recommendation from a design house to new

companies/clients go a long way to creating new customers for EAGLE (I know

Stratford Digital has influenced many companies to get an EAGLE license

because that is what we recommended, Olin has stated the same for his

company).

 

I think the main issue is that we professionals need our current version of

EAGLE to run forever.  But I think there is a path forward with a small

tweak.  I would love it if Matt could respond to this suggestion:

 

EAGLE License Recommendation

 

No one has an issue with requiring the internet on installation or

upgrading of EAGLE.  If a subscription is valid then either of these is

allowed.  If the subscription is not valid or can't be verified (i.e. no

internet connection) then neither is allowed BUT the software continues to

work indefinitely as it did at the time of the last call home to Autodesk

license server.

 

This means there is still a reason to pay subscription cost:

active support access to new features with new versions

 

This allows for the support that professionals will need to be able to

prove can be provided decades down the road (it happens all the time). It

allows me to create a virtual machine with a specific version of EAGLE on

it and know that in the future that software will work as it did during the

initial project development.  It also allows for use in walled-off security

environments.

 

We also need a method (officially supported) of having multiple versions of

EAGLE on the same computer at the same time with the ability to configure

each install to update or not automatically.  This is absolutely required

as some clients, for various reasons, specify specific versions of EAGLE to

be used.

 

This also puts a burden on Autodesk to make sure that their updates are

significant enough to warrant people continuing subscriptions.  That is a

good thing and will give users some confidence that a subscription is worth

it.  The value of any change since v6.6 is pretty limited, hierarchical

design is a good idea but not fully implemented.  And we're still waiting

on completion of the differential pair routing from v6.  It seems the main

additions since v6.6 is two, unasked for and highly restrictive licensing

changes.  So there isn't a lot of trust in the EAGLE community right now.

Autodesk has said good things but little has been delivered yet.

 

I think the above is a good compromise.  If Matt doesn't agree then please

provide your suggestion as how I am going to be guaranteed to be able to

support projects a decade in the future.  For this argument, "trusting

Autodesk will allow it" will not be accepted as an allowable answer.  It

may be 100% true today but when you leave to retire in the Bahamas or the

entire team is sold off to another global corp the policy can instantly

change (see last 6 months).

 

Cheers,

 

James

--

James Morrison  ~~~  Stratford Digital

http://www.stratforddigital.ca

--

EAGLE support forums at http://www.eaglecentral.ca :: Where the EAGLE community meets.

 

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 9 years ago

    Matt

     

    Thank you for your post, helping to explain some of the thoughts going on at Autodesk right now.

    I have a primary job, where my employer uses Altium, and I use that for most of the design work that I do.   I also do some work on the side for a small business, and we have used Eagle for several years.   For a long time, I had the licence that allowed me to work on 4 layer, 6x4 boards, but occasionally I need to work on larger boards (but never more than 4 layers).   In December 2016 I  bought the full version of Eagle, so I have the perpetual license for the Pro version.  The next month, everything changed.

     

    I am excited about the concept of having an integrated MECHANICAL/Electrical CAD system, and I hope that this becomes a reality.   It would make the increased cost of the system worthwhile.  

     

    If I understand the proposed licensing scheme, I will be able to subscribe to the smaller system for 4x6 boards, and use that, and if I need to work on a larger board, I rent the professional version for the duration of that job - 2 or 3 months, then go back to the lower cost licence.   So long as 10 years down the road I will be able to view the files, generate gerbers and drill files etc, I think that I can live with that.

     

    That said, I don't think that I will jump into V8 until the dust has settled - perhaps a couple of years.

     

    Mark

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  • sauerwald
    sauerwald over 9 years ago

    Matt

     

    Thank you for your post, helping to explain some of the thoughts going on at Autodesk right now.

    I have a primary job, where my employer uses Altium, and I use that for most of the design work that I do.   I also do some work on the side for a small business, and we have used Eagle for several years.   For a long time, I had the licence that allowed me to work on 4 layer, 6x4 boards, but occasionally I need to work on larger boards (but never more than 4 layers).   In December 2016 I  bought the full version of Eagle, so I have the perpetual license for the Pro version.  The next month, everything changed.

     

    I am excited about the concept of having an integrated MECHANICAL/Electrical CAD system, and I hope that this becomes a reality.   It would make the increased cost of the system worthwhile.  

     

    If I understand the proposed licensing scheme, I will be able to subscribe to the smaller system for 4x6 boards, and use that, and if I need to work on a larger board, I rent the professional version for the duration of that job - 2 or 3 months, then go back to the lower cost licence.   So long as 10 years down the road I will be able to view the files, generate gerbers and drill files etc, I think that I can live with that.

     

    That said, I don't think that I will jump into V8 until the dust has settled - perhaps a couple of years.

     

    Mark

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  • technolomaniac
    technolomaniac over 9 years ago in reply to sauerwald

    Hi Mark

     

    Thanks for the honest email and I can appreciate you want to hold off.  This is ok.  We are ok with this.  I will say that the 50% off promo for upgrades (the EAGLE50 promo code) will expire 6 mos from launch.  However I would expect a lot of progress by then to reassure you that we're not just blowing smoke.  FWIW, if you bought in december, you should contact the sales team at Autodesk on the eagle site and ask for a refund and rebill.  We can issue you a license of 7.7 but ensure you have the upgrade, so you can move across whenever you want.  That way you get the best of both worlds and you're not feeling like you paid twice for one item so close together.

     

    Hope that helps.

     

    Best regards,


    Matt

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