Sneak peek: obstacle avoidance and walk around routing in EAGLE v8...

On 19/02/2017 6:09 a.m., Matt Berggren wrote:

............. To get the new router, subscribe today!  For $100/year, you'll get EAGLE v8 Standard edition, 4-layer commercial license and ensure you get the new router when it's available.............

(1) First rule broken: Forum postings shall not be advertising,

promotion or construed as spam.

(2) Second, the statement is misleading and illegal in many

jurisdictions. Nearly all of us would be allowed to write that string of

words as it would be hearsay or conversational but Matt, being an

Autodesk employee tasked in marketing, cannot say it without exposing

Autodesk and himself to a legal challenge. The first sentence is an

offer and the sole condition is "subscribe today!". The second sentence

attempts to opt out of that first sentence contract.

Many of you will understand the point I'm attempting to highlight here.

HTH

Warren

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@Warren - Autodesk operates the NNTP servers on which this forum is based, whether here, on Autodesk.com or behind Eaglecentral.ca.  We have discretion in how we use this or other Autodesk forums.  If you prefer not to receive messages about what is coming in the software, you do not have to receive emails for all posts.  You can configure that under the user settings.

FWIW...It has been a long tradition amongst Cadsoft and now Autodesk to try and highlight what is coming and get feedback.  If you prefer not to participate in that, you are welcome to your opinion.  Again, you can disable notifications if you prefer not to receive these messages.

HTH

matt

Matt Berggren wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 12:28

Autodesk actually owns the servers on which this forum operates,

whether here, on Autodesk.com or on Eaglecentral.ca.

Wait.  What?  I thought EAGLE Central was Stratford Digital...?

And what about Element14?  Do you own them too?

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The NNTP and other forums are Autodesk.  We have discretion in how we

use this or any other Autodesk forum.  If you prefer not to receive

messages about what is coming in the software, then this forum is not for

you.  It has been a tradition amongst Cadsoft and now Autodesk to try

and highlight what is coming and get feedback.  If you prefer not to

participate in that, you are welcome to your opinion.

Matt, while I think I understand what you're trying to say, this comes

across, at least to me, as a bit threatening.  Are you trying to scare us

oldtimers away?

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Im not being at all threatening.  I'm saying that we reserve the right to discuss new features and in fact, the OP was where the "threat" came from, veiled as a legal argument for why it wasn't ok to post about new features.  I replied decently and fairly.  Never has anyone challenged the Cadsoft team for posting anything about new features or planned features and soliciting feedback.  Even marketing messages (I'm in Prod Dev btw) have gone largely unchallenged.  This is a forum to discuss EAGLE and we are soliciting feedback on a version of EAGLE that we both released and which is in continuous development.  This is the new version of EAGLE we are discussing and not attempting to peddle 'foundation garments'.

Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today...and do so without taking a position on the legality of a comment you and no one ever in history complained about in the past.  This is unfair and not in the spirit of the community.  There's a separate thread about licensing if that's the central source of your frustrations.  Let's not conflate this discussion with a cross-post about what may in fact be fueling your unpleasantness.

Have a great weekend!

best regards,

Matt

Matt Berggren wrote on Sat, 18 February 2017 14:02

Im not being at all threatening.

I'm glad for that.  My questions about the ownership of Eagle Central and

Element14 still remain.  While I completely believe that you can do

whatever you wish on the autodesk.com forums and any email list Autodesk

manages, I'm not sure you have the same mandate elsewhere, specifically

these two sites.  Put another way, would you post this kind of thing on

EEVBlog or the EAGLE Yahoo group?

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Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff

from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today... (SNIP) This is

unfair and not in the spirit of the community.

Matt, what do you know of the spirit of our community?  It would be nice if

you would treat those of us who were Cadsoft customers with some courtesy

as well.  We've been around a long time and you have swooped in and pissed

in our punch bowl.

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Have a great weekend!

Was I just dismissed?  Is that the end of the conversation then?

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On 19/02/2017 10:02 a.m., Matt Berggren wrote:

Im not being at all threatening.  I'm saying that we reserve the right to discuss new features and in fact, the OP was where the "threat" came from, veiled as a legal argument for why it wasn't ok to post about new features.  I replied decently and fairly.  Never has anyone challenged the Cadsoft team for posting anything about new features or planned features and soliciting feedback.  Even marketing messages (I'm in Prod Dev btw) have gone largely unchallenged.  This is a forum to discuss EAGLE and we are soliciting feedback on a version of EAGLE that i both released and in continuous development.  This is the new version of EAGLE we are discussing and not attempting to peddle 'foundation garments'.

 

Please afford autodesk the same courtesy you would Cadsoft as the staff from Cadsoft are all employed with Autodesk today...and do so without taking a position on the legality of a comment you and no one ever in history complained about in the past.  This is unfair and not in the spirit of the community.  There's a separate thread about licensing if that's the central source of your frustrations.  Let's not conflate this discussion with a cross-post about what may in fact be fueling your unpleasantness.

 

Have a great weekend!

 

best regards,

 

Matt

 

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Hi Matt

You have misinterpreted my posting.

I apologise for saying you are tasked in marketing if that is not the

case, I understood that to be the case from earlier threads

My point was, I felt you had breached the globally accepted etiquette

for forums. Simply, it appeared you had not taken care in choosing what

to write.

Perhaps others will have different views but I have never felt, over the

past nine years that I have participated in these forums, any posting by

a Cadsoft employee that was marketing.

Prior to a CadSoft release, information on new features was guarded.

Upon release the web advertising told the story of staring features.

Employee forum postings seemed disciplined and were limited to "Version

released, down load from www.cadsoft..."  or responses to threads that

guided you on where to go to get assistance on editions or pricing.

Hence I think you are right as I don't recall anyone saying the Cadsoft

staffers were misusing the forum for marketing.

Warren

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Am 18.02.2017 um 21:13 schrieb Doug Wellington:

Wait.  What?  I thought EAGLE Central was Stratford Digital...?

 

And what about Element14?  Do you own them too?

 

I still would like to have a clear answer on these questions.

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Joern Paschedag

Am 18.02.2017 um 21:13 schrieb Doug Wellington:

Wait.  What?  I thought EAGLE Central was Stratford Digital...?

 

And what about Element14?  Do you own them too?

 

I still would like to have a clear answer on these questions.

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Joern Paschedag

Autodesk does not own element14. The element14 Community forums continue to partner and link to the CadSoft EAGLE (now Autodesk) forums as we have in the past because the software is of interest to our members.

Am 21.02.2017 um 18:34 schrieb Christy Zurcher:

Autodesk does not own element14. The element14 Community forums continue to partner and link to the CadSoft EAGLE (now Autodesk) forums as we have in the past because the software is of interest to our members.

 

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Thank you Christy for the information

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