XREF flag options

Am 27.07.2011 22:23, schrieb Bob Starr:

I would like to see an option within the XREF object itself that

indicates whether the flag outline & cross ref data are drawn or not. I

understand this is controlled by the global XREF settings now, but it

sure would be nice to use this feature to label the ends of nets also

that don't necessarily go off to another sheet.

 

Also, the xref sheet/row/col data should print AFTER the net label name

for rotation values >= 180 degrees (eg when on the left hand or bottom

side of net end).

 

I still want to see other options for the flag style so that allows

drawing like Orcad with the double arrow head styles (eg ->> NETNAME and

-<< NETNAME) rather than the framed arrow around the text. Another

option would be to draw a small port flag and put the text outside to

the left or right.

 

In general, I just don't like the arrow border drawn around the text -

it's just plain ugly on complicated drawings with all the flags sizes

different lengths and makes reading the names difficult. PLEASE give us

more options for the XREF feature!!

 

Bob

Hi Bob, speaking of orcad I have done plenty of modifications with that

system. As long as the labels are correct, no problem. But if they are

not correct through the whole drawings they cause more problems than help.

So I prefer the one type only label. I would not want the border off,

because then the label text might be mixed up with other text in tight

drawings.

I don't see what can be done about the label length. Should cadsoft set

a limit of caracters or an option that one can set the limit oneself?

In every drawing I know the labl length depends on text.

The only wish I have on xref is its own size parameter.

It really brings up my bloodpressure if I change the size of text and

after placing a label that comes up with that same size, so I have to

change that again.

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Bob Starr wrote on Wed, 27 July 2011 16:23

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In general, I just don't like the arrow border drawn around the text -

 

it's just plain ugly on complicated drawings with all the flags sizes

different lengths and makes reading the names difficult. PLEASE give us

 

more options for the XREF feature!!

I'd agree with that.  While you're at it, add some difference between a

XREF label on a signal with no other connections vs. one with another

connection on the current sheet.  Right now, you can't tell the difference

between those two instances which is annoying.

Yes, the ERC will catch that but once you print it out you can't tell.  My

rule of thumb is that the schematic should be completely discernible from a

printed copy.  (That means no hidden pins either, in today's multi-voltage

world hidden pins are a REALLY BAD IDEA).

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(first, I dont know why my iphone nntp client doesnt quoue some of the

followups.. sorry for that)

When it comes to xref or page connectors, it should be a schematic

primitive. I used to draw in DesignWorks (capilano computing) and I think

Eagle has a lot to learn from that sw, both on page connectors and bus

handling.

(first, I dont know why my iphone nntp client doesnt quoue some of the

followups.. sorry for that)

When it comes to xref or page connectors, it should be a schematic

primitive. I used to draw in DesignWorks (capilano computing) and I think

Eagle has a lot to learn from that sw, both on page connectors and bus

handling.

Hi Bob, speaking of orcad I have done plenty of modifications with that

system. As long as the labels are correct, no problem. But if they are

not correct through the whole drawings they cause more problems than help.

So I prefer the one type only label. I would not want the border off,

because then the label text might be mixed up with other text in tight

drawings.

I don't see what can be done about the label length. Should cadsoft set

a limit of caracters or an option that one can set the limit oneself?

In every drawing I know the labl length depends on text.

 

The only wish I have on xref is its own size parameter.

 

It really brings up my bloodpressure if I change the size of text and

after placing a label that comes up with that same size, so I have to

change that again.

Hi Joern, I'm not saying it shouldn't support the framed type also, but

I'd like another type of port. The simple orcad double arrow heads would

be a blessing for me as I deal with some large drawings regularly.

Currently, I have make the text size smaller (like 50 mil) in order to

line up the XREF borders when placing XREF's next to each other on a

0.1" grid. Typically I keep text size at the default 70 mils at everything.

My eyes are shot as is, so trying to read 50 mil bordered text in scaled

down printout requires a magnifier glasses for me. I'd like to have a

printer capable of printing architectural sized drawings, but that's not

likely to happen in this lifetime.

Bob

SNIP

 

Hi Joern, I'm not saying it shouldn't support the framed type also, but

I'd like another type of port. The simple orcad double arrow heads would

be a blessing for me as I deal with some large drawings regularly.

 

Currently, I have make the text size smaller (like 50 mil) in order to

line up the XREF borders when placing XREF's next to each other on a

0.1" grid. Typically I keep text size at the default 70 mils at everything.

 

My eyes are shot as is, so trying to read 50 mil bordered text in scaled

down printout requires a magnifier glasses for me. I'd like to have a

printer capable of printing architectural sized drawings, but that's not

likely to happen in this lifetime.

 

Bob

Hi Bob, I see you point of view now. In case labels are at 100 mil

distance one (must) use size 50 for text since the other 50 mils are for

the frame. Without frame, size could be 80 mils (better for your eyes) 

Perhaps cadsoft cold generate kind of bracket for a frameless label

[[something like this]] but with an option to switch the frame on.

I still wouldn't want pointers for any direction as I have mentioned before.

BTW did you try increase the text ratio for a better readability?

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

SNIP

 

Hi Joern, I'm not saying it shouldn't support the framed type also, but

I'd like another type of port. The simple orcad double arrow heads would

be a blessing for me as I deal with some large drawings regularly.

 

Currently, I have make the text size smaller (like 50 mil) in order to

line up the XREF borders when placing XREF's next to each other on a

0.1" grid. Typically I keep text size at the default 70 mils at everything.

 

My eyes are shot as is, so trying to read 50 mil bordered text in scaled

down printout requires a magnifier glasses for me. I'd like to have a

printer capable of printing architectural sized drawings, but that's not

likely to happen in this lifetime.

 

Bob

Hi Bob, I see you point of view now. In case labels are at 100 mil

distance one (must) use size 50 for text since the other 50 mils are for

the frame. Without frame, size could be 80 mils (better for your eyes) 

Perhaps cadsoft cold generate kind of bracket for a frameless label

[[something like this]] but with an option to switch the frame on.

I still wouldn't want pointers for any direction as I have mentioned before.

BTW did you try increase the text ratio for a better readability?

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag