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Re: Ratsnest wont' refresh

scott216
scott216 over 12 years ago

Here's a screenshot (link to Flickr) showing the airwires.  Clicking on the

ratsnest button does nothing

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/37101040@N00/10279422335/

 

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  • dougw
    dougw over 12 years ago

    Hi Scott,

    It looks like the connections are drawn as traces on the PCB layout top copper layer. These can be altered with the "Ripup" tool, which will convert traces back to unrouted nets. If the nets go nowhere, this action will make the trace dissappear.

    Ratsnest will only clean up unrouted nets.

    The connections need to be made on the "Nets" layer in the schematic. Then they will show up as unrouted connections on the PCB layout.

    It is possible to draw connections only on the layout, but if the are not already on the schematic, Eagle does not know where they are supposed to be connected, so you would have to make sure the connections are correct just by your own inspection and editing.

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    I tried ripup, but it didn't help.  In the command bar I entered: ripup *;

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  • dougw
    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    It probably means the lines are not "wires", which means they were not drawn on a copper layer.

    You can determine if a line is a wire using the info "i" tool. Simply click on the "i" tool icon and then click or double click on the object or line you want information about. Copper layer objects will show up as a wire in the info box.

    To operate on a group of objects surround them with the box group tool (this will highlight the selection) then click on the operator tool you want to use such as "Ripup", then right click on one of the highlighted objects.

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    It's a wire.  The ratsnest and autorouter were working fine for this PCB, then all of a sudden this problem cropped up.  I zipped up the files and attached them to the original post.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    Perhaps the traces are not completely ripped up. If you use the Ripup tool and repeatedly click on a specific wire it should rip up the entire trace.

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    That didn't help

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    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    Do Ripup and Ratnest still work on new connections if you add a few? Is it just this layout that doesn't work? Or has Eagle just stopped working properly on all layouts?

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    I tried adding a component and connected it to stuff in the schematic.

    Eagle created new airwires for the new component and when I clicked on the

    ratsnest button, it would update the airwires for the now component, but no

    other airwires would change.  I'm only having this problem with this one

    project.  My other Eagle projects are fine and don't exhibit this problem.

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    I tried adding a component and connected it to stuff in the schematic.

    Eagle created new airwires for the new component and when I clicked on the

    ratsnest button, it would update the airwires for the now component, but no

    other airwires would change.  I'm only having this problem with this one

    project.  My other Eagle projects are fine and don't exhibit this problem.

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  • dougw
    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    If you manually try moving the problem air wires around does it work?

    If you try to delete one of the problem air wires, does it indicate you must make this edit on the schematic?

    If you try to manually route one of the problem air wires, does it work?

    What happens if you tell it to autoroute the card?

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    I can't move an airwire.  If I move an component, the air wire will follow it. or at least the last segment of the air wire.

    Tyring to delete gives me an error saying I should do it in the schemaitc

    I can manually route.

    Autoroute just keeps trying and trying to route.  I don't know when it will give up.  It should take about 15 seconds to route.

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    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    Well that is starting to narrow it down.

    If you manually route, can you move the routed traces around?

    Can you ripup one of these manually routed problem traces?

    If you rip it up a moved trace does the airwire stay where the routed trace was or go back to the original problem path?

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    If I manually route a trace, then rip it up, the airwire returns to normal, it doesn't stay where the trace was, it behaves as it should.  Have you tried opening the file and seen this for yourself?  I'm curious if this file would behave the same way on another system.

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    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    I am not sure where to get the file - I only see your Flickr picture.

    Doug

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    I uploaded the zip file to the original post on Eagle's forum, but I don't see the original post here on Elemen14.  Anyway, the file is attached to this post.

    Attachments:
    CenterPCB.zip
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    dougw over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    Sorry, I can't read the files. I guess my version of Eagle is too old. At some point I will have to cough up the money to upgrade.

    I have not seen this but perhaps the connections are not seen because they are somehow off grid. Maybe setting the grid to "Finest" will allow the program to find the airwires? You can bring components back on grid by holding the CTRL key down while selecting a component to move.

    Doug

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to dougw

    Am 16.10.2013 16:00, schrieb Douglas Wong:

    Sorry, I can't read the files. I guess my version of Eagle is too old.

    At some point I will have to cough up the money to upgrade.

    I have not seen this but perhaps the connections are not seen because

    they are somehow off grid. Maybe setting the grid to "Finest" will allow

    the program to find the airwires? You can bring components back on grid

    by holding the CTRL key down while selecting a component to move.

    Doug

     

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    I did not go into it further....

    I threw away the board and generated a new one from schematics and got

    air wires and ratsnest works...

     

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    scott216 over 12 years ago in reply to autodeskguest

    I did try copying the schematic to a new file and receating the board from scratch, and that worked out fine.  But I was hoping to figure out what is wrong with this file in case this happens again to a board I've put a significant amount of time in and don't want to start all over.

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    autodeskguest over 12 years ago in reply to scott216

    Am 17.10.2013 17:04, schrieb scott216:

    I did try copying the schematic to a new file and receating the board

    from scratch, and that worked out fine.  But I was hoping to figure out

    what is wrong with this file in case this happens again to a board I've

    put a significant amount of time in and don't want to start all over.

     

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    After the long thread I wanted to give you a fast solution image

    I still have your original and ( or somebody else) may look into it if I

    have time...

     

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