Frames: How are they supposed to work?

Am 08.04.2014 01:51, schrieb Graham Wideman:

Hi folks,

I'm using Eagle 6.5.0. I am trying to put a frame on a schematic

drawing. So I selected FRAME_A_L (A Size, Landscape), and placed it.

However, the frame is drawn to the exact size of the page (8.5 x 11

inches), and consequently cannot actually print on one page, because

printers require a border. Of course, I could scale down the printout,

or I could edit the XML of the library or the schematic, but I have to

think this is not how this is supposed to work.

 

I do understand that frames are not drawn with lines, but implemented

instead with the Frame command. I've tried everything I can think of to

resize the frame from the library: combinations of Move, drag, Ctrl-drag

on some part of the frame, and examining the properties, in both the

schematic and the library editor. The only reaction I get is that the

frame moves, but doesn't resize.

 

So: How does Eagle intend for us to use the A size frame from the

library?

 

Thanks!

Yes, that's a good one

Anyway if you want to edit/create a frame you must use the INFO tool.

Open your own library and copy a frame into it.

Go to symbol editor use the info tool and place it on the frame line.

A  dialog opens and there you find all the parameters to create your own

frames, with or without localizer

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Am 08.04.2014 01:51, schrieb Graham Wideman:

Hi folks,

I'm using Eagle 6.5.0. I am trying to put a frame on a schematic

drawing. So I selected FRAME_A_L (A Size, Landscape), and placed it.

However, the frame is drawn to the exact size of the page (8.5 x 11

inches), and consequently cannot actually print on one page, because

printers require a border. Of course, I could scale down the printout,

or I could edit the XML of the library or the schematic, but I have to

think this is not how this is supposed to work.

 

I do understand that frames are not drawn with lines, but implemented

instead with the Frame command. I've tried everything I can think of to

resize the frame from the library: combinations of Move, drag, Ctrl-drag

on some part of the frame, and examining the properties, in both the

schematic and the library editor. The only reaction I get is that the

frame moves, but doesn't resize.

 

So: How does Eagle intend for us to use the A size frame from the

library?

 

Thanks!

Yes, that's a good one

Anyway if you want to edit/create a frame you must use the INFO tool.

Open your own library and copy a frame into it.

Go to symbol editor use the info tool and place it on the frame line.

A  dialog opens and there you find all the parameters to create your own

frames, with or without localizer

--

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / With best regards

Joern Paschedag

Thanks Joern! That does the job.

In case anyone else faces this problem:

It turns out that a FRAME has size properties, but these properties are only editable in the library editor, not in the schematic. So:

1. Load the library containing the frame to be edited, and select the Device (NOT Symbol) for the frame.

2. To edit the frame's properties, use the INFO button, and click on the frame. You will need to click near the reference origin for the frame. (This is true in general for selecting a component in Eagle -- just more evident for large components.)  For frames I looked at, that reference points were in the lower left corner.

3. If you edit the frame's size, you may want to reposition the "Document Field" as well. This is implemented as a second symbol within the package (DOCFIELD). Still within the Device view of the frame, click on the reference origin for the document field. The Properties include fields for Position, and also a the "Add Level" property set to "always", which is why this second symbol always gets added to the schematic when you place a frame.

-- Graham