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How to flip a component on pcb and stay on same side

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I have a radial electrolytic capacitor component that lays down on its side. If say it is upright (pins on bottom) and capacitor is bent down, with + on left and - on right.  So now how do I flip it so - is on left and + is on right but capacitor is still upright (pins still on bottom).

Placing it on the other side won't work, as the silkscreen will be on the wrong side.

 

You can flip component on schematic (for the same reason to reverse the order of pins), but how do you do it  on pcb?

 

Thanks

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    So what you are saying is you have a custom radial part with the silk screen drawn such that is shows the body of the part as it would be with the leads formed to 90 degrees so you can lie it down? I.e. so simple rotation isn't going to work?

     

    If this is the case I think you need to create an alternative package with your pins the opposite way round so you can then add this to the part as a variant and select it in the board by right clicking and selecting "Package" from the menu. Then you choose your alternative package from the list.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

  • 0 in reply to rachaelp

    Yes that is correct.

    I was hoping this feature was supported. Unlike all the previous times this same question was posted (I did a search before posting)  you do see this is a legitimate usage/requirement right?

     

    I'll just create the variant. I created the original part anyway. Its for a 10x25mm radial electrolytic capacitor so the silkscreen shows the white bar of the negative side.

     

    Thanks.

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    Am 04.09.2016 um 12:32 schrieb rachaelp:

    So what you are saying is you have a custom radial part with the silk screen drawn such that is shows the body of the part as it would be with the leads formed to 90 degrees so you can lie it down? I.e. so simple rotation isn't going to work?

     

    If this is the case I think you need to create an alternative package with your pins the opposite way round so you can then add this to the part as a variant and select it in the board by right clicking and selecting "Package" from the menu. Then you choose your alternative package from the list.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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    As far as I understand what you want is to ROTATE a device (turn it but

    stay on the same side).

    Use the MOVE command, grab the device and then right click it with  the

    mouse. Every (right) click rotates it by 90 degrees. If you want a

    different angle use the rotate command. Help rotate.

     

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    Jerry Sy wrote:

     

    I was hoping this feature was supported. Unlike all the previous times this same question was posted (I did a search before posting) you do see this is a legitimate usage/requirement right?

    I think this is a legitimate usage for a variant. I think if there were a flip function in EAGLE which allowed any component to be flipped and remain on the same side that would lead to people flipping parts that they shouldn't and ending up with boards they couldn't build.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    Nope. If you rotate the radial capacitor laying down, the leads will switch, but it would be laying down in the opposite direction, which is not what I want.

     

    FWIW, adding a variant did not seem to work. Whatever edit I do reflects on the other variants of the same package, which is weird. So I just ended up adding a new package.

  • 0 in reply to autodeskguest

    On 04/09/16 19:06, Joern Paschedag wrote:

     

    As far as I understand what you want is to ROTATE a device (turn it but

    stay on the same side).

     

    No, not quite. He wants to reflect it but not mirror to bottom layer. As

    Rachael has said, it's a valid requirement for his specific instance but

    it best done with a package variant.

     

     

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    Jerry Sy wrote:

     

    FWIW, adding a variant did not seem to work. Whatever edit I do reflects on the other variants of the same package, which is weird. So I just ended up adding a new package.

    The package variant should work. If you pop your custom .lbr file up here I'll take a quick look at it for you.

     

    Best Regards,


    Rachael

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    rachaelp wrote:

     

    Jerry Sy wrote:

     

    FWIW, adding a variant did not seem to work. Whatever edit I do reflects on the other variants of the same package, which is weird. So I just ended up adding a new package.

    The package variant should work. If you pop your custom .lbr file up here I'll take a quick look at it for you.

     

    Best Regards,


    Rachael

    I think I have just worked out what you meant.... Did you use the variant command to create a new board variant and then edit the package? That would do what you describe and isn't what I meant by variant. I think you may have done it right in the end as you said you added a new package. I assume you mean to the same device such that if you right click on the part in the board you can select "Package" from the context menu and choose between your two package variants? If so all is good and you've done it right :-)

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

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    so I copied a device to my library.

    The device contains several packages.

    The package I selected contains 2 variants, for which I really could not see any difference.

    So I went ahead and edited the second variant for the package, and after I saved, whatever changes I made also appeared on the first variant!!

    What gives? It seems to defeat the whole point of variant of the same package if you create 10 variants and they do exactly the same thing.

     

    So yes,, I ended up creating a new package and then add it to the device.

     

    Also one issue I ran into, after auto routing, it says there is one 1 airwire. But I cannot find it. I literally examined the whole board almost down to the pixel and cannot find it. I also tried the trick to do manual routing and clicking outside the board, and all I got is a beep sound. I ended up just autorouting and after it completed, the airwire is gone. Must be a bug.

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    Am 04.09.2016 um 20:31 schrieb rachaelp:

    Jerry Sy wrote:

     

    I was hoping this feature was supported. Unlike all the previous times this same question was posted (I did a search before posting) you do see this is a legitimate usage/requirement right?

    I think this is a legitimate usage for a variant. I think if there were a flip function in EAGLE which allowed any component to be flipped and remain on the same side that would lead to people flipping parts that they shouldn't and ending up with boards they couldn't build.

     

    Best Regards,

     

    Rachael

     

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    A revolution to the electronics industry: "Flip" an axial capacitor to a

    radial one image image

     

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